Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

[Isala]

I really don't want to be part of a community who's standards are "it's not my job to care about my fellow players" yikes

Agreed, which is why it's so disappointing to see people unwilling to put in the effort to play at level 100, and then cry when someone has enough of it, and just does it for them. This is a team game, put in the effort.

[gllt]

Agreed, which is why it's so disappointing to see people unwilling to put in the effort to play at level 100, and then cry when someone has enough of it, and just does it for them. This is a team game, put in the effort.

Here I'll help you understand my viewpoint better.

If you're dealing with someone unwilling to learn or play the game properly, I have no objections to you objecting to that. Do whatever you think is the best course of action at that point.

But we might define what that is slightly differently and have different opinions about what a player should be expected to do.

I think players should be good enough not to die in most normal content in 14, especially by later levels, but it should never be anything more than most until they've seen it a bit.

If the already easy content is so easy that you can clear it strictly based on prior game knowledge, no matter what kind of player you are, or what situation you're in, on first try every time you queue in, then that's embarrassing game design. The newest content in an expansion should filter everyone on their first playthroughs a bit even on normal, especially considering what the skill level of an average player is, whether we like it what that level of skill is or not.

My argument is that for the good faith average skill level players, it's your job to babysit them to a reasonable extent no matter what role you play, but especially tank and healer, in order to bring that skill level up. They are also expected to do things like hit training dummies, queue in while not sleep deprived, etc that's what I mean by good faith.

I do NOT expect them to go look at a dungeon guide. They are entitled to a first time experience without watching a mechanics guide. Maybe if you help them and it still doesn't work out, then sure. Community resources are great. They make up for Square's failures to help teach the players the game to get them to the skill level you're expecting them to have. I just think your attitude is failing them too!