Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

[gllt]

Clearing the fight as a cooperative team and clearing it at the expense of your team are not the same thing. Sure, you got the clear, and I don't have to like you, but I want you to know I will expressly dislike you and think you're a poor player if you look down on our teammates if they were trying their best in good faith.

Clearing is only one objective. The other objective is having fun. Within reason, like all things, it's good etiquette to consider if you're impacting the experience of your teammates.

Much like they should be trying to learn and clear the content instead of wiping, you should be considerate of their gameplay experience when they're trying to do so. Within. Reason.

So yeah, leave it up to Square what's actually against the rules, but I'm glad I play every role and I've never thought once when tanking to have such a poor attitude and outlook regarding my teammates. I can't imagine Tanking and not consulting my party and conceding to consensus even if it IS bad idea because I care about my party more than a clear. If we have to do the entire dungeon again, who cares? It's a video game. I have a life outside it and a house to clean with limited time for gaming too so I understand wanting to make the most of what you've got. But if you think your 15 minutes matters more than theirs, yeesh.

If you want consistency, go in with a premade party or something. You get instant queue times and you know everyone you're playing with. Make a group in PF to run roulettes with all day, take job applications for your party, verify that skill level so you don't have to babysit or something. Run with your FC members. Go play with NPCs and enjoy some intended solo gameplay. Queue in by yourself both sync and unsynced and have a little fun. Tank solo content when you don't have dead people in the ground IS very fun!

[Bobby66]

Clearing the fight as a cooperative team and clearing it at the expense of your team are not the same thing. Sure, you got the clear, and I don't have to like you, but I want you to know I will expressly dislike you and think you're a poor player if you look down on our teammates if they were trying their best in good faith.

Clearing is only one objective. The other objective is having fun. Within reason, like all things, it's good etiquette to consider if you're impacting the experience of your teammates.

Much like they should be trying to learn and clear the content instead of wiping, you should be considerate of their gameplay experience when they're trying to do so. Within. Reason.

So yeah, leave it up to Square what's actually against the rules, but I'm glad I play every role and I've never thought once when tanking to have such a poor attitude and outlook regarding my teammates. I can't imagine Tanking and not consulting my party and conceding to consensus even if it IS bad idea because I care about my party more than a clear. If we have to do the entire dungeon again, who cares? It's a video game. I have a life outside it and a house to clean with limited time for gaming too so I understand wanting to make the most of what you've got. But if you think your 15 minutes matters more than theirs, yeesh.

If you want consistency, go in with a premade party or something. You get instant queue times and you know everyone you're playing with. Make a group in PF to run roulettes with all day, take job applications for your party, verify that skill level so you don't have to babysit or something. Run with your FC members. Go play with NPCs and enjoy some intended solo gameplay. Queue in by yourself both sync and unsynced and have a little fun. Tank solo content when you don't have dead people in the ground IS very fun!

Not saying I disagree, but at the core the measurable or objective goal is to clear the content. Generally speaking that is the end goal the one goal everyone that goes into content can expect as a baseline. Everything else you stated can vary from person-to-person. While you cannot imagine why someone would want to try and see how far they can go while their party is dead, clearly some people do like doing that. Just as some people would rather the tank just reset the fight. Yes, we share a community but people only need to considerate of others gameplay experience within the scope of the content and the rules. Clearly no rule was broken, so having said expectation is fair, but it is not a guaranteed. As you suggest people who wish to solo content, or do whatever should do it on their own time, the same could be said for those that do not wish to gamble on a tank wasting 20 min of their time. End of the day the whole join a premade or FC can also be said to those that are annoyed when other players don't take their experience or time into account.

[Turtledeluxe]

Not saying I disagree, but at the core the measurable or objective goal is to clear the content. Generally speaking that is the end goal the one goal everyone that goes into content can expect as a baseline. Everything else you stated can vary from person-to-person. While you cannot imagine why someone would want to try and see how far they can go while their party is dead, clearly some people do like doing that. Just as some people would rather the tank just reset the fight. Yes, we share a community but people only need to considerate of others gameplay experience within the scope of the content and the rules. Clearly no rule was broken, so having said expectation is fair, but it is not a guaranteed. As you suggest people who wish to solo content, or do whatever should do it on their own time, the same could be said for those that do not wish to gamble on a tank wasting 20 min of their time. End of the day the whole join a premade or FC can also be said to those that are annoyed when other players don't take their experience or time into account.

I guess the only option at this point is to DC and take a break. Somebody wants to watch you for 15mins, but it's not me.

[Bobby66]

I guess the only option at this point is to DC and take a break. Somebody wants to watch you for 15mins, but it's not me.

That is within your right, you are not obligated to sit and watch the tank spend 15 min to kill a boss, just like the tank is not obligated to reset the fight.

[Supersnow845]

That is within your right, you are not obligated to sit and watch the tank spend 15 min to kill a boss, just like the tank is not obligated to reset the fight.

So following along from this logic it’s my right to just run off the edge of the map at the start of the fight with the expectation the tank won’t want to reset and so will kill the boss for me?

[LianaThorne]

That is within your right, you are not obligated to sit and watch the tank spend 15 min to kill a boss, just like the tank is not obligated to reset the fight.

Ah what a choice:

Sit there actively feeling your braincells die while watching a guy get his rocks off on soloing a boss for 15m or take a 30m penalty.

Which would you choose?

[Conando]

If it's a low percent I'll keep going (like 15% or less), but other than that I will let mechanics cycle and then kill myself so people who may not quite understand how they work can learn a bit.

[TBerry]

The second DPS can't use Tanks as a mob shopping cart and the sustain is used not how they want.

[localareanetwork]

Most of the tanks that survive just survive on the basis of them having the largest health pool, not skill, and also sustain through the fight's damage because their 123 has built in healing. To say "just don't die" for other jobs that are far far squishier and have no sustain is so silly, because you can easily die as a non tank in ways that aren't your own fault

[Pepperblue]

Hey, you should hope to get me as a tank, I suck and would probably die to mechanics anyway!