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    Blake Ashwren
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    Physical ranged strike!

    The state of physical ranged as a role is concerning.

    Right now various people are doing the math and realising that the dps of physical ranged is so low across all three jobs that it may not be worth bringing them to early prog at all when double Caster (one being a pct) will probably bring enough extra damage to warrant not having the 1% stat boost for bringing a physical ranged.

    Whether or not this is true is irrelevant but the fact that this conversation is even occurring is sad. Physical ranged players deserve more than just being brought to a party out of obligation for the 1% and now even that is in question.

    The ranged tax is a joke. Strats are designed for Melee to get full uptime no matter what even if they adjust hit box sizes this tier. Casters also have plenty of mobility with PCT's dash being broken and having a sprint attached.

    Phys ranged needs love desperately. Even gameplay wise DNC and BRD are struggling (even though BRD is doing amazing for damage). DNC has insane overcap issues due to new Tilana and had all its rotational flexibility and resource management stripped away in DT. Seriously why would they take away other jobs "give gauge button" due to overcap only to give DNC a literal overcap button because of how Esprit generation and technical finish work??

    BRD has a lot of timing issues to do with EA and the effect of Army's muse. Also the opener being extremely weak due to lack of coda is crazy since they just fixed this issue with drg.

    Overall the role is in a state and we deserve to strike more than healers!

    PSA: The title "Physical ranged strike" is a joke and a play on the Healer strike. It's a funny used to get attention to the post.
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    Last edited by Hanzz96; 07-31-2024 at 12:01 AM.

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    PvP kit is perfect for physical range
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    I really don’t know what the point is of pitting this against the healer strike

    I agree phys ranged has been pushed to the edge of usability in favour of the melee (even PCT overperfoming expectations was a boon for the melee as they just buffed them all to compensate)

    The role desperately needs something that’s not the invisible raid 1% and right now phys ranged identity is basically lack of role specific identity which isn’t an identity
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Adam Brazenmutt
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    Hell yeah, bring Bitzballer and make it hit harder than Pictomancer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I really don’t know what the point is of pitting this against the healer strike

    I agree phys ranged has been pushed to the edge of usability in favour of the melee (even PCT overperfoming expectations was a boon for the melee as they just buffed them all to compensate)

    The role desperately needs something that’s not the invisible raid 1% and right now phys ranged identity is basically lack of role specific identity which isn’t an identity
    I'll admit I don't get the Healer strike in savage, ultimate and even ex healers are needed unless you're crazy cracked and doing coordinated fun run. But to each their own.

    Phys ranged breaks my heart because it feels like we have 0 reason to exist
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    I'll give you the same advice everyone gives healers.

    If you want to do more DPS, go play a different role.
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    Lorelai Oshidari
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    I haven't noticed anything bad personally and haven't been forced out of any groups in DT just because I play phys ranged. If something changes for my static pugs I'll probably change my tune since that would mean we're leaning more towards a meta but I doubt we're going to hit that point ever in this game tbh.

    If ya'll wanna strike go for it but I'll sit out of this one.
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    Last edited by LianaThorne; 07-30-2024 at 08:22 PM.

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    Grainne Gothram
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    honestly even if this is meant to make fun of the healer strike if any other role/job deserves a strike its phys range.
    Literally been terrible role since ShB.
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    Ayan Calvesse
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    I haven't noticed anything bad personally and haven't been forced out of any groups in DT just because I play phys ranged. If something changes for my static pugs I'll probably change my tune since that would mean we're leaning more towards a meta but I doubt we're going to hit that point ever in this game tbh.

    If ya'll wanna strike go for it but I'll sit out of this one.
    I mean if you look at PF's on Crystal pre-patch most will not have a slot for phys range I noticed which IS a bit concerning as I think there is a BIG problem with phys range in that the gain of bringing them does not seem to outweigh the dps gain of a caster or just adding a melee dps. That said honestly its just part of a problem with the concept of phys ranged because they are the only job that straddles 2 functions - bards and dancers do less damage because they bring a special utility; machinist however does not and so any sweeping tweak to the role doesn't work.

    Personally given the complaint of healers the only suggestion I can think of that does not involve threading the buffs (essentially making bards a must have for their contribution to overall raid content) would be to really merging the ranged DPS into one of the already existing roles. So like moving machinist into scouting jobs; bard into healers and dancer into striking. adjusting their potency to baseline with their respective roles.

    Just a random thought
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    Lorelai Oshidari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse View Post
    I mean if you look at PF's on Crystal pre-patch most will not have a slot for phys range I noticed which IS a bit concerning as I think there is a BIG problem with phys range in that the gain of bringing them does not seem to outweigh the dps gain of a caster or just adding a melee dps. That said honestly its just part of a problem with the concept of phys ranged because they are the only job that straddles 2 functions - bards and dancers do less damage because they bring a special utility; machinist however does not and so any sweeping tweak to the role doesn't work.

    Personally given the complaint of healers the only suggestion I can think of that does not involve threading the buffs (essentially making bards a must have for their contribution to overall raid content) would be to really merging the ranged DPS into one of the already existing roles. So like moving machinist into scouting jobs; bard into healers and dancer into striking. adjusting their potency to baseline with their respective roles.

    Just a random thought
    I'm on Crystal and have yet to see a group that ignored phys ranged. I have been doing EX 1 regularly since launch, at least 2-3 times a day.

    Taking a look now at the PF now for savage launch, there aren't any groups either that are ignoring phys ranged. They're just looking for one DPS per role (outside of melee where they'd like 2) with some of them so once a phys ranged takes up that spot another can't join.
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    Last edited by LianaThorne; 07-30-2024 at 08:36 PM.

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