Physical ranged strike!

[Noox-115]

I think they did that because of the flexibility of the 3 roles no matter what situation at any range you can move around and attack compared to melee that loose a lot of damage when they are kept away from the boss for many seconds and as for casters their movement is limited to certain extand and it also dont help that bard and dancer are both support dps

[Ayan_Calvesse]

I think they did that because of the flexibility of the 3 roles no matter what situation at any range you can move around and attack compared to melee that loose a lot of damage when they are kept away from the boss for many seconds and as for casters their movement is limited to certain extand and it also dont help that bard and dancer are both support dps

Aye but as bosses now take up 99% of the arena uptime becomes less and less of a concern; so unless the bard and dancer buffs are significant (generally not anymore) then really...why not just take one of the 6 melee dps available?

[JC65]

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/62

While FFLogs does not speak to all the problems, it does point out where phys range stand compared to everyone else. I do recall a few years ago their argument with Ninja and dancer dps being much lower than others is because it buffed other people. So those dps that did not buff others were supposed to be concidered greedy and do more dps than those who did buff others. Seems they just decided to make this a melee dps world, period. And before we go off on a rant about fflogs being third party and not acceptable, we all know devs do look at it to see where classes stand.

[Tunda]

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/62

While FFLogs does not speak to all the problems, it does point out where phys range stand compared to everyone else. I do recall a few years ago their argument with Ninja and dancer dps being much lower than others is because it buffed other people. So those dps that did not buff others were supposed to be concidered greedy and do more dps than those who did buff others. Seems they just decided to make this a melee dps world, period.

DMG isn't the only problem my dear,

Risk and reward structure is not there for range physical,

Melees are more into boss (they have to dodge more compared to other roles)

Casters have range but also have cast as a downside,

Phy range have no downsides other than damage which is bad for game balance,

As I said, Phy range should have Walking cast like PvP kit for Bard and Machinist to make them not only unique but satisfying and balance

[Toutatis]

I mean if you look at PF's on Crystal pre-patch most will not have a slot for phys range I noticed which IS a bit concerning as I think there is a BIG problem with phys range in that the gain of bringing them does not seem to outweigh the dps gain of a caster or just adding a melee dps. That said honestly its just part of a problem with the concept of phys ranged because they are the only job that straddles 2 functions - bards and dancers do less damage because they bring a special utility; machinist however does not and so any sweeping tweak to the role doesn't work.

I noticed a few groups like that on Primal in the past few days as well (2 spots for casters and 2 melee or just any role except phys range) and it’s only for EX trials. It’s not like they even have a tight enrage timer. It’s only a few but if SE keeps going that route, it may become a trend. And what does SE do with the latest patch? Make the gap even wider.

[Ramiee]

honestly even if this is meant to make fun of the healer strike if any other role/job deserves a strike its phys range.
Literally been terrible role since ShB.

[Raikai]

Honestly, the quick fix for this would be increasing the phys ranged party composition slot damage buff to something more meaningful like 5% instead of the 1% the others get.

This way, phys ranged becomes a 'faux-role' in the party composition, making harder for people to ignore them.

[Tunda]

Honestly, the quick fix for this would be increasing the phys ranged party composition slot damage buff to something more meaningful like 5% instead of the 1% the others get.

This way, phys ranged becomes a 'faux-role' in the party composition, making harder for people to ignore them.

This is the issue.. we don't want "quick fixes" we want big changes

[Raikai]

This is the issue.. we don't want "quick fixes" we want big changes

I wouldn't expect big changes for a whole dps niche in the middle of a content patch... Better chances for a big fix as an expansion feature.

[Willemdarke]

I wouldn't expect big changes for a whole dps niche in the middle of a content patch... Better chances for a big fix as an expansion feature.

Why not?
BLM, VPR among others have gotten major mechanical changes just this patch and jobs such as Paladin have gotten potency increases across the board on pretty much all skills.