2 melee 2 ranged standard

[Ggwppino]

But if you have planned, the job is mobile.

And you always have the ability to plan, so the job always has the ability to be mobile.

Therefore ... the job is mobile.

Absolutelly, if there a good player, but the skill of the player is important! You cannot trivialize!

[W00by]

Absolutelly, if there a good player, but the skill of the player is important! You cannot trivialize!

I am not trivializing planning! I have openly said that planning is necessary for the job to be mobile! But the job! Is still! Mobile! Just because you aren't good enough to use the tools doesn't mean they don't exist! That's like saying SAM is a low damage DPS because you personally aren't good at doing damage with it!'

Dancer is OBVIOUSLY more mobile than pictomancer, no one needs to win that argument yet you insist on making it! Argue with the fact that -- for a caster -- Picto is mobile, or stop spinning in circles!

[Ggwppino]

I am not trivializing planning! I have openly said that planning is necessary for the job to be mobile! But the job! Is still! Mobile! Just because you aren't good enough to use the tools doesn't mean they don't exist! That's like saying SAM is a low damage DPS because you personally aren't good at doing damage with it!

Instead, unfortunately, yes, you are. Because you've legitimized the fact that it could be a phys ranged, and it's blatantly false. Because you are trivializing planning.
It is objective that dnc does not have the same uptime problems as pct. Yet you are legitimizing it.
However, on the fact that pct, if played well, allows you to preserve uptime and damage a little better than other casters (smn excluded), I agree. But we need to stop trivializing mobility, uptime and damage planning.


EDIT:

Argue with the fact that -- for a caster -- Picto is mobile, or stop spinning in circles!

You added it after I replied and I didn't read it right away.
But that's okay, we agree, I told you from the beginning that I didn't disagree with what you wrote, what I wanted to point out was that you started it all by legitimizing the nonsensical reasoning: “casters are equal to phys ranged.”
And that's really crazy thinking. Because, precisely, it is an argument that trivializes planning. Easy.

[kurkee]

Instead, unfortunately, yes, you are. Because you've legitimized the fact that it could be a phys ranged, and it's blatantly false. Because you are trivializing planning.
It is objective that dnc does not have the same uptime problems as pct. Yet you are legitimizing it.
However, on the fact that pct, if played well, allows you to preserve uptime and damage a little better than other casters (smn excluded), I agree. But we need to stop trivializing mobility, uptime and damage planning.

This feels a lot more grandiose than the reality of playing PCT in all current content. You kinda just see what's happening right now and decide if you're going to prep or not. You can even be caught out and use your damage neutral instant cast tools to slip away. You can even just not use those and smudge a quarter of the arena's length without thinking about it. As someone that does play picto and loves it, I'll be the first to trivialize it. It's basically uncontested.

[Ggwppino]

This feels a lot more grandiose than the reality of playing PCT in all current content. You kinda just see what's happening right now and decide if you're going to prep or not. You can even be caught out and use your damage neutral instant cast tools to slip away. You can even just not use those and smudge a quarter of the arena's length without thinking about it. As someone that does play picto and loves it, I'll be the first to trivialize it. It's basically uncontested.

And I would add, that when you use Smudge, you almost certainly fall within the recast time. I know very well that compared to a blm, its movement tools are much more reasoned to keep uptime. But the comment all stemmed from the fact that casters are supposed to be phys ranged. And I find that very but very absurd.

[Galvuu]

This feels a lot more grandiose than the reality of playing PCT in all current content. You kinda just see what's happening right now and decide if you're going to prep or not. You can even be caught out and use your damage neutral instant cast tools to slip away. You can even just not use those and smudge a quarter of the arena's length without thinking about it. As someone that does play picto and loves it, I'll be the first to trivialize it. It's basically uncontested.

I mean, a cancelled cast is pretty catastrophic to any of the three casters (idk if that's what you meant). If you cancel one to slam a Holy/Xenoglossy/whatever, you already lost like 1/2s of uptime. Assuming that's what you meant.
But yes, I do think Smudge is the "secret ingredient" to deal with some annoying patterns. It's actually really good. I really just wish SE made Aetherial Manipulation work the same way.

[Ggwppino]

I mean, a cancelled cast is pretty catastrophic to any of the three casters (idk if that's what you meant). If you cancel one to slam a Holy/Xenoglossy/whatever, you already lost like 1/2s of uptime. Assuming that's what you meant.
But yes, I do think Smudge is the "secret ingredient" to deal with some annoying patterns. It's actually really good. I really just wish SE made Aetherial Manipulation work the same way.

I personally like the concept of tping to a trusted partner, just for QOL I would add the ability to choose a defualt partner, without creating the macro or select manually (like the dnc partner).

[rewd]

I mean, a cancelled cast is pretty catastrophic to any of the three casters (idk if that's what you meant). If you cancel one to slam a Holy/Xenoglossy/whatever, you already lost like 1/2s of uptime. Assuming that's what you meant.
But yes, I do think Smudge is the "secret ingredient" to deal with some annoying patterns. It's actually really good. I really just wish SE made Aetherial Manipulation work the same way.

Personally I don't want more homogenisation so I like that different jobs have different movement tools. In the case of AM, I would like it to remain as is also because a dash wouldn't synergize with BLM's kit as well as a gap closer does. In general though I tend to prefer targeted gap closers over dashes.

[rewd]

This feels a lot more grandiose than the reality of playing PCT in all current content. You kinda just see what's happening right now and decide if you're going to prep or not. You can even be caught out and use your damage neutral instant cast tools to slip away. You can even just not use those and smudge a quarter of the arena's length without thinking about it. As someone that does play picto and loves it, I'll be the first to trivialize it. It's basically uncontested.

You are contesting an argument that doesn't exist. I believe you think Ggwppino said that keeping uptime on casters (or PCT if you prefer) is hard and complex so you chimed in to say "No, I think it's easy".

Thing is, that's not the point at all. You can't bring PCT to EX1, press skills in a random order every pull and expect to do completely fine every single time. You learn the fight and you adapt your rotation to the fight as needed. It's something that every non-phys ranged job has to do - to various degrees - because the whole point of (current) phys ranged design is that there is no friction at all in keeping 100% uptime (which is why their mobility tax exists).

It doesn't matter if you have found keeping uptime on PCT so far easy, hard, something in between, braindead or the hardest thing you have ever done in your life: you still had to take those decisions which is something a DNC, a BRD or a MCH don't need to do. And this isn't PCT-specific but it applies to every other job in the game (as I said, to various degrees).