2 melee 2 ranged standard

[rewd]

Exactly, plan.
It seems crazy to me to trivialize this aspect, as you are doing.

I'll be honest, I still think we are being trolled hard.

[LilyPendragon]

Yeah ok if your only argument is ad hominem because you actually have nothing to back it up, please save yourself the embarrassment.

That absolutely wasn't only ad hominem. They brought 3 points and then end their comment with a snarky remark. Ad hominem isn't just insulting people, it's avoiding the argument and only insulting, which they didn't do.

They're also right by the way, saying pictomancer could be designated as a phys ranged is complete and utter bilge

[Valence]

That absolutely wasn't only ad hominem. They brought 3 points and then end their comment with a snarky remark. Ad hominem isn't just insulting people, it's avoiding the argument and only insulting, which they didn't do.

They're also right by the way, saying pictomancer could be designated as a phys ranged is complete and utter bilge

I never argued that PCT can be designated at phys ranged so I'm not sure what this has to do with their reply. For the rest of the point, other posters and myself have already responded to the actual content and argument, so refer to that instead.

[LilyPendragon]

That absolutely wasn't only ad hominem. They brought 3 points and then end their comment with a snarky remark. Ad hominem isn't just insulting people, it's avoiding the argument and only insulting, which they didn't do.

They're also right by the way, saying pictomancer could be designated as a phys ranged is complete and utter bilge

That is what the person you responded to was initially replying to

[Supersnow845]

I think it sits somewhere in the middle

Saying the second least mobile class is basically a physical ranged is stupid (though that wasn’t the original point, they simply said it could be designed as a physical ranged implying more along the lines of the fact that the jobs freeform nature doesn’t necessarily have to work with casts. PCT with zero cast times and nothing else changed would still be a playable class) but PCT’s Freeform nature also allows it more movement ability than a generic “oh it spends 50% of 120 seconds casting so it’s super immobile”

PCT really only has a few hard rules

1) you must enter starry muse with a comet, wings/fangs and a hammer stored
2) you must use your off minute hammer as well as the other 3 creature muses + mog/madeen outside of starry muse
3) you must not overcap paint gauge

Beyond that you can do literally whatever you want with PCT’s rotation

So it ends up way more mobile than BLM despite casting about 85% as much simply because you have a lot of options for movement at any one time

[rewd]

I think it sits somewhere in the middle

Saying the second least mobile class is basically a physical ranged is stupid (though that wasn’t the original point, they simply said it could be designed as a physical ranged implying more along the lines of the fact that the jobs freeform nature doesn’t necessarily have to work with casts. PCT with zero cast times and nothing else changed would still be a playable class) but PCT’s Freeform nature also allows it more movement ability than a generic “oh it spends 50% of 120 seconds casting so it’s super immobile”

You are wrong here, Snow.

They could have designated this as a physical ranged job if they wanted to.

They didn't say "designed", they said "designated". They are two completely different verbs, although they look similar. They are saying DT could have launched with PCT in the physical ranged role and it would have made sense. Now you can look at this discussion again from the correct point of view and see how stupid it is (as you said).

Also, what the dungeon casters are saying (I don't mean it in a bad way, but none of them has a level cap PCT and one of them hasn't even unlocked it) is that you can press random buttons on PCT because it has "freedom". You are a serious caster, so you know there's plenty of planning on PCT, because it's a caster and planning your GCDs and oGCDs is part of basic caster gameplay. Unless you want to interrupt casts or botch your burst window, obviously.

[Supersnow845]

You are wrong here, Snow.

They didn't say "designed", they said "designated". They are two completely different verbs, although they look similar. They are saying DT could have launched with PCT in the physical ranged role and it would have made sense. Now you can look at this discussion again from the correct point of view and see how stupid it is (as you said).

Also, what the dungeon casters are saying (I don't mean it in a bad way, but none of them has a level cap PCT and one of them hasn't even unlocked it) is that you can press random buttons on PCT because it has "freedom". You are a serious caster, so you know there's plenty of planning on PCT, because it's a caster and planning your GCDs and oGCDs is part of basic caster gameplay. Unless you want to interrupt casts or botch your burst window, obviously.

You are correct I did read it wrong

Yes I seriously disagree with the implication it could be designated as a phys ranged, it’s still the second least mobile job in the game (maybe 3rd depending on where SCH falls) it just does have a lot of tools if you plan them in advance

But you are correct, you can’t just throw abilities out there and hope something sticks

[rewd]

You are correct I did read it wrong

Yes I seriously disagree with the implication it could be designated as a phys ranged, it’s still the second least mobile job in the game (maybe 3rd depending on where SCH falls) it just does have a lot of tools if you plan them in advance

But you are correct, you can’t just throw abilities out there and hope something sticks

Thank you, as I've said there are a lot of insane takes about casters lately. It is what it is.

[Myon88]

Fellas, if your casting job has...

1. A freeform rotation with a high degree of flexibility
2. Copious amounts of mobility and weave space
3. Strong cooldowns that benefit greatly from downtime

That's not pictomancer, that's stormblood summoner! As apology for the EW rework they basically made summoner 2.

[Chrome_Aerial]

i don't mind that standard as long its not forced in EVERY duty/trial/raid.
i do not like to be forced to play a certain class. i kinda wanna pick my own prefference.

though for some trials/raids i can deffinetly see the appeal of having set roles for certain mechanics.