You pull you tank question.

[Router]

1 death is better than entire group wipe or messed up cooldowns in future pulls or a boss.

Only 1 death? Oh man, I'd love if the YPYTs I've seen only resulted in 1 death. The way things usually go down, I'd almost think they're just wiping the entire group out of spite. No way, right?
Also what's with the assumption that the "offending" party is always a DPS? What's the logic behind "sacrificing" a healer?

[VoidsentStatus]

Only 1 death? Oh man, I'd love if the YPYTs I've seen only resulted in 1 death. The way things usually go down, I'd almost think they're just wiping the entire group out of spite. No way, right?
Also what's with the assumption that the "offending" party is always a DPS? What's the logic behind "sacrificing" a healer?

Not always a DPS, just the majority. Most healers aren't stupid enough to draw aggro before a tank. Most of them learn this problem when they cast too strong of a heal and adds the tank even tagged already go to them thus making the tank turn around and slow down the pull due to them being mobbed out early.

If the YPYT didn't result in 1 death, it's because someone else skipped the tutorial in hall of novice and tagged things they shouldn't have or were blind and didn't adjust to the tank.

- Tank has tank stance.
- Tank grabs 3 adds.
- DPS and Heal target 3 adds after.
- 2nd DPS grabs 3 extra adds.

Tank AFK's -> Don't attack or heal to avoid generating enmity that's going to rip it away from the tank. If he dies, that's on him. Whether it was a purposeful AFK, a keyboard/controller disconnect, etc. doesn't matter. You'd treat the situation the same way. If I see my tank not moving for a good second and he's looking even remotely close to death, I'm already running away back toward home base for his respawn. I'm not going to sit there and I already know what's going to happen 10-15s down the line. In most situations, iirc, they de-aggro after a certain range and won't follow anymore regardless.

Tank turns off tank stance -> Doesn't matter. You still see the enmity button indicating when you're about to pass the tank. Stop dealing damage/healing before it gets to that final stage.

Tank goes to single target -> You switch to single target the same as Hall of Novice.

[Router]

Not always a DPS, just the majority. Most healers aren't stupid enough to draw aggro before a tank. Most of them learn this problem when they cast too strong of a heal and adds the tank even tagged already go to them thus making the tank turn around and slow down the pull due to them being mobbed out early.

If the YPYT didn't result in 1 death, it's because someone else skipped the tutorial in hall of novice and tagged things they shouldn't have or were blind and didn't adjust to the tank.

- Tank has tank stance.
- Tank grabs 3 adds.
- DPS and Heal target 3 adds after.
- 2nd DPS grabs 3 extra adds.

Tank AFK's -> Don't attack or heal to avoid generating enmity that's going to rip it away from the tank. If he dies, that's on him. Whether it was a purposeful AFK, a keyboard/controller disconnect, etc. doesn't matter. You'd treat the situation the same way. If I see my tank not moving for a good second and he's looking even remotely close to death, I'm already running away back toward home base for his respawn. I'm not going to sit there and I already know what's going to happen 10-15s down the line. In most situations, iirc, they de-aggro after a certain range and won't follow anymore regardless.

Tank turns off tank stance -> Doesn't matter. You still see the enmity button indicating when you're about to pass the tank. Stop dealing damage/healing before it gets to that final stage.

Tank goes to single target -> You switch to single target the same as Hall of Novice.

You could have just posted "Bend over backwards to satisfy my ego trip" and it would have conveyed the same meaning. Have you tried acting like an adult and communicating with your party instead?

[VoidsentStatus]

You could have just posted "Bend over backwards to satisfy my ego trip" and it would have conveyed the same meaning. Have you tried acting like an adult and communicating with your party instead?

Did the dps or healer do that before pulling the extra adds and breaking what the game taught them in the tutorial area?

[Router]

Did the dps or healer do that before pulling the extra adds and breaking what the game taught them in the tutorial area?

Why yes, in one of my cases the healer did say they were pulling extra. The tank proceeded to say nothing and killed us all. Perhaps I should have assumed every tank is an egotistical psychopath and watched his actions like a hawk? Can't be too sure when the tank will stop doing his job, after all.

[VoidsentStatus]

Why yes, in one of my cases the healer did say they were pulling extra. The tank proceeded to say nothing and killed us all. Perhaps I should have assumed every tank is an egotistical psychopath and watched his actions like a hawk? Can't be too sure when the tank will stop doing his job, after all.

Ah, so they just asserted what they were doing, and they didn't ask at all. Point proven.

[Router]

Ah, so they just asserted what they were doing, and they didn't ask at all. Point proven.

Yes, it's basically proven that it was an ego issue and instead of the tank communicating "no, that's not okay", they just wind up killing everyone nonverbally to "prove a point". That's not being an adult, I'm afraid.

While we're on this stupid Hall of the Novice argument, where does the Hall of the Novice tell tanks to ignore enemies pulled by allies? I'm curious. It gives the example of enemies spawning naturally, but does not indicate that this is the only situation where you should pick up enemies as they appear.