You pull you tank question.

[TBerry]

It is not a DPS doing too much damage on a single target, it is a DPS attacking targets on their own to speed up the run, and expecting a tank to always follow and support them regardless of the consequences.

This right there is the issue.

[Iustitia-sama]

This why you go into roulettes with a friend or two so when you come across a ypyt troglodyte you can just kick and get a tank which isn't some narcissist that thinks purposely letting another player die because their ego has been hurt is good. The mental gymnastics to justify this is hilarious lmao.

Makes me wish we had some form of SBMM, so these kind of players can be matched with each other or at least allow blacklisting to block us from queueing with them.

[Ruruura]

I wonder how many more pages this will go on for before healers/dps admit that in truth they do not care one bit about those two or three extra minutes of time and this is all just a petty tantrum about party control?

Tanks have always been traditionally considered the leaders of the party in pretty much every adventure/dungeon crawling setting (and of course, MMORPG) and in 2024 that just sits poorly within some circles.
You will often find an extreme overlap between people who take issue with tanks and those who hate mentors and similar community roles.

But of course, tackling the real problem would make them sound petty, so instead we pretend that the real issue is about pull effectiveness lmao

[LilyPendragon]

I wonder how many more pages this will go on for before healers/dps admit that in truth they do not care one bit about those two or three extra minutes of time and this is all just a petty tantrum about party control?

Tanks have always been traditionally considered the leaders of the party

To your first point: who is the one taking active measures to ensure a party member dies?

I'll give you a clue, it's not the dps or healer.

To your second point: lol

[LilyPendragon]

This why you go into roulettes with a friend or two so when you come across a ypyt troglodyte you can just kick and get a tank which isn't some narcissist that thinks purposely letting another player die because their ego has been hurt is good. The mental gymnastics to justify this is hilarious lmao.

Makes me wish we had some form of SBMM, so these kind of players can be matched with each other or at least allow blacklisting to block us from queueing with them.

Yep, I pretty much always roll in at least a two stack so any moron trying to kill party members for their ego trips gets kicked

[PaulusHamsteru]

I tank and I appreciate when people pull the enemies to me. I'd probably just kick them if they'd say that to me.

[Ruruura]

To your first point: who is the one taking active measures to ensure a party member dies?

I'll give you a clue, it's not the dps or healer.

To your second point: lol

If the dps or the healer decide to to be petty, they cannot complain when someone else decides to be petty in return.
There is literally no reason that is not petty for a dps or a healer to pull over a tank.

[OdinelStarrei]

If the dps or the healer decide to to be petty, they cannot complain when someone else decides to be petty in return.
There is literally no reason that is not petty for a dps or a healer to pull over a tank.

I always, always prefer competent DPS, if they are faster than me, to pull. I encourage it openly. I compliment them if they pull it off. This is already an insane rarity because there is only a puff of smoke where I was standing at the gate in every duty.

If a DPS or SGE is somehow even faster than me, probably through movement displacement (NIN or DRG jumps primarily), I'm actually totally into it, because if they are doing that, they are probably popping Arms Length+Bloodbath for the slow. I can't Arm's Length both wall to wall pulls, but with a DPS, we can. This is free mitigation for me, and a single AoE hit with 20X enmity rips them right back as we keep on trucking. SGE can get those cool Toxicon breaks as well.

A DPS who pulls for me will always make my day.

[Ruruura]

I always, always prefer competent DPS, if they are faster than me, to pull. I encourage it openly. I compliment them if they pull it off. This is already an insane rarity because there is only a puff of smoke where I was standing at the gate in every duty.

If a DPS or SGE is somehow even faster than me, probably through movement displacement (NIN or DRG jumps primarily), I'm actually totally into it, because if they are doing that, they are probably popping Arms Length+Bloodbath for the slow. I can't Arm's Length both wall to wall pulls, but with a DPS, we can. This is free mitigation for me, and a single AoE hit with 20X enmity rips them right back as we keep on trucking. SGE can get those cool Toxicon breaks as well.

A DPS who pulls for me will always make my day.

And that is perfectly valid, if it works for you, but not everyone agrees with you, but even beyond that is the fact that by my experience and that of many others, the average "dps puller" is more of the kind of either staying with the mobs and hoping the rest of the party follows suit, or the headless chickens that just randomly run past the party and one has to chase to aggro, and now, a third new breed, which is the "tank vibe checker", the ones who have participated in the last few months of discussion and just do it to see how the tank reacts to it, of which i have already found a few.

Of course the experience probably varies by person but yeah.

[Iustitia-sama]

If the dps or the healer decide to to be petty, they cannot complain when someone else decides to be petty in return.
There is literally no reason that is not petty for a dps or a healer to pull over a tank.

Imagine thinking a player playing the game game is being petty that you decide to purposely kill that player and thinking you're justified in doing that, crazy right lmao. Just admit you're a malicious person who wants to exert their ego on the "petty" dps/healer who's just trying to play the game.