Problem with toxic casual players on this forum

[Kaurhz]

Broad comments not even remotely grounded in reality.

1) If you actually read the threads created by people regarding the content difficulty, there has been significant backlash by even a lot of casuals on this. A lot of casuals are actually happy with the difficulty. I know I am. If they actually read the forums, they would actually be more inclined to keep the difficulty as it is. I've seen casuals jump on casuals over this fact.

Content such as Eureka and Bozja were both polarizing due to perfectly reasonable reasons, for starters in order to get the Eureka relic, your only option was to do Eureka, there was no alternative. Hence why we got Bozja, and then people took issue with Bozja due to exceptionally poor future proofing, and continued lack thereof, e.g., Delubrum, and many of the steps were more efficient outside of Bozja than inside of Bozja. I don't think there were many people that actually asked for what we got, some were in support, and a lot of people had heavily distaste for it.

You don't see much dissenting opinion on here?!?!? You really haven't done your research at all, have you. It's like you came on the forums, found some fancy titled threads and then elected go ham without actually reading the threads and responses. Otherwise, you would have come to the conclusion that there is a lot of dissenting opinions on the forums, and what people take issue with and complain about or do not complain about is their prerogative. Get over yourself, you aren't forum police and nor are you feedback police.

If people are calling Wuk Lamat bad, then that is because she is bad. A spade is a spade. A bad character is a bad character, and if you actually once again did your research, you would see quite a few threads which went a lot more in depth into the issues with DT, e.g., story pacing and some blatant rewrites of the lore, and what we understand about the soul and memories.

Final sentence? See the remainder of my post again. If they were to use the feedback here, most of it would be in support of the difficulty.

Edit: Shall I tell you the funnier thing? It isn't going to be casual players that will be the problem with all of this, it will be people such as yourself making fairly generic and irrelevant (and frankly poorly researched) comments about the people complaining about the difficulty of the content. Would it be that you actually cared about this, you would probably be in those threads yourself asking those players why they struggle, what they find difficult and then making an educational response, or something remotely productive instead of this whole "WoE ArE AlL tHe cAsuALS tO tHE gAme"

[CNitsah]

You think Yoshi P reads this unmoderated wasteland?

Trust me, compared to one year ago, it is moderated. At least now the trash get taken out, even if it takes a while, after running free for years. I'm not gonna say the moderation does a great job, it's decent. Today most of the post are legit posts. A year ago, half to thirds of the threads were blatant troll made by a small number of account that were never punished to poison everything they touched.

[TrowaParabellum]

Casual here...
I didn't like the story, Didn't like Wuk Lamat but the content as far as dungeons and trials was great.
I loved viper the first day I played it and felt nerfing it in anyway was criminal.
The MSQ content difficulty right now is just right, even for optional content like normal raids.
These mechanics can be done with insane ping, and little understanding of how the mechanics actually work.
There is a lot of room for error and the MSQ content is highly forgiving still if you mess up.
I don't do current Exs or savage content but I still am enjoying the casual content right now a lot.

[Ardeth]

There's a massive massive problem with people being unable to take criticism in general, moreover than a us vs. them argument.

And that's not even remotely close. Take the MSQ. You either absolutely loved it, or you absolutely hated it. Then there's people like me who thought it was ok. Would I play it again? Probably not, but I don't feel like my time was wasted.

Is X or Y too hard or easy? That's subjective. I smashed through Elden Ring and Sekiro, but I would never run an extreme or a savage etc. But that's my choice. I choose not to do them. I choose to be left out of them. They're not my cup of tea. I don't want to organize and min max to do content. I want to just do it. If I can't because it needs coordination and voice coms, then I guess I'm skipping it. I'm not going to run to the forums and shout from the rooftops. "Nerf this, so I will like it more!" It's insane.

It's like Bozja and Eureka. I legitimately hate them. It would be quicker to say what I like about them than to list what I hate. But you know what the majority of people want another one. So my imput is moot.

I think people need to stay in their lanes and just be happy there's a game they can play and enjoy and stop worrying about what they can or can't do. Try, practice, and get better. Be a hardcore player. It's your choice. Stop blaming others for your failings.

Stop being toxic.

Anyway, that's me.

[Xellith]

You can spot these people easily by the amount of threads complaining that dungeons are too hard, story is bad, and complaining about the graphics update.

Who made you the arbiter of what makes someone a toxic casual or not? I think your post could be considered toxic by many, considering you literally just made stuff up to point the finger at people you disagree with.

[NekoNova]

I haven't been on these forums for quite some time, but now that I am reading them because I started playing again, I constantly have to check the URL on the browser to make sure I'm not on the World of Warcraft forums....

[LianaThorne]

I feel like some sort of clarification needs to be offered:

What exactly are we defining as casual? I feel like the definition keeps shifting so I'd like to ask.

Is it anyone who doesn't do ultimate content?
Is it anyone who doesn't know their rotation?
Is it anyone who doesn't parse themselves regularly?
Is it anyone who has an issue with difficulty?

Over the past few weeks I've seen:
- Casual meaning anyone who doesn't do ults
- Casual meaning anyone who touches gatherers + crafters
- Casual meaning anyone who doesn't actively use ACT
- Casual meaning anyone who plays for story content
- Casual meaning anyone who has an issue with WAR's healing or VPRs "busy style"
- Casual meaning anyone who doesn't like ultimates + wants them removed or nerfed from the dev's schedule

If I were to smash all of those together, I feel like at least 90% of the playerbase would be considered casual, if not more. It's why I personally feel labeling something/someone as casual is entirely subjective and not based on a real standard.

Furthermore, casual players aren't "ruining the experience", I don't really think anyone is. I think times are shifting to where SE is more concerned with attracting a new audience so they can future proof. The new generation is fixated on short form media and easily digestible content, so making things simpler makes sense for me if they're trying to turn 14 into something appealing for the next 10 years of incoming players.

[Cerbolt]

Then by your logic isn't this post also toxic?

[Daralii]

Who made you the arbiter of what makes someone a toxic casual or not? I think your post could be considered toxic by many, considering you literally just made stuff up to point the finger at people you disagree with.

"Toxic" in this context has never had any actual definition. It started off as being a catchall for behavior a psychologist-turned-developer at Riot disapproved of and became a catchall for any behavior anyone disapproves of.

[NekoNova]

Over the past few weeks I've seen:
- Casual meaning anyone who doesn't do ults
- Casual meaning anyone who touches gatherers + crafters
- Casual meaning anyone who doesn't actively use ACT
- Casual meaning anyone who plays for story content
- Casual meaning anyone who has an issue with WAR's healing or VPRs "busy style"
- Casual meaning anyone who doesn't like ultimates + wants them removed or nerfed from the dev's schedule

Honestly, none of these things define someone as casual.
Casual people are people who simply play the game, enjoy whatever they're doing and playing with friends.

- They can be doing ultimates
- They can be doing gatherers or crafting
- They can be running ACT
- They can be doing story content
- They might even be soloing dungeons as WAR and putting healers out of business

The thing is, they are just playing. They are having fun, and not making threads constantly left and right about how the game needs to be changed. Because they're too busy using whatever time they have available that day to spend it on the game to have fun.
Whatever "fun" is for them at that point.