You pull you tank question.

[noelregnard]

I don't see anything mentioned that DPS/healer asked the tank to pull more but instead pulled for them. I see people saying "oh this is normal in other games" but why do we expect that this is normal here too? Both sides failed to communicate what they want that's why it resulted to this but yeah people seem to blame it always towards the tank for some reason.

- W2W pulls are standard and expected in DF whether you like it or not. If you want to break standard you should speak up.
- Tanks who pull YPYT are ego tripping assholes who would rather hold the entire PT hostage than actually learning how to play properly. Just read this thread to see for yourself. We literally have a guy arguing for dozens of pages that they're intrinsically better and more important than DPS players for playing tanks.

[ObscuraFi]

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You can ignore this person that didn't see the front page 700 page healer thread and strike regarding other roles (such as tank) being given healer abilities that lower the usefulness of healers (exact wording: "encroaches on the role - 399 likes"), as well as noting that tank sustain getting buffed again for a 2nd expansion when it wasn't needed. ("increased tank sustain that they didn't need - 121 likes"). People are out here unsubbing from the game and refusing to play the role in content in mass because their role is being slowly invalidated and is boring af, but apparently some people want to have an identity crisis going into denial about their importance, meanwhile ACTUAL healers have been making threads with 300+ upvotes since 2020 that literally read "Warrior, paladin and gunbreaker all have enough sustain that they literally don't need healers and can keep other party members alive at the same time." "but the problem is that collectively the overall mitigation and healing from non healers is enough to negate healers entirely."

You got a small minority of the gaslighting section the forums saying healers are just as important as tanks, and the other 95%+ making threads, going on strike, and giving feedback how they feel useless and negated inside of content.

[Dimi824]

You can ignore this person that didn't see the front page 700 page healer thread and strike regarding other roles (such as tank) being given healer abilities that lower the usefulness of healers (exact wording: "encroaches on the role - 399 likes"), as well as noting that tank sustain getting buffed again for a 2nd expansion when it wasn't needed. ("increased tank sustain that they didn't need - 121 likes"). People are out here unsubbing from the game and refusing to play the role in content in mass because their role is being slowly invalidated and is boring af, but apparently some people want to have an identity crisis going into denial about their importance, meanwhile ACTUAL healers have been making threads with 300+ upvotes since 2020 that literally read "Warrior, paladin and gunbreaker all have enough sustain that they literally don't need healers and can keep other party members alive at the same time." "but the problem is that collectively the overall mitigation and healing from non healers is enough to negate healers entirely."

You got a small minority of the gaslighting section the forums saying healers are just as important as tanks, and the other 95%+ making threads, going on strike, and giving feedback how they feel useless and negated inside of content.

You realize that the majority of the healer strike is memes right? There are legitimate concerns about the healer role but based on all your posts here you simply lack the common sense and even basic game knowledge to even understand the nuance behind it. You've been talking out your ass pretty much this entire thread. Have you done ANY relevant content? Like seriously here.

[Kyanari]

- W2W pulls are standard and expected in DF whether you like it or not. If you want to break standard you should speak up.
- Tanks who pull YPYT are ego tripping assholes who would rather hold the entire PT hostage than actually learning how to play properly. Just read this thread to see for yourself. We literally have a guy arguing for dozens of pages that they're intrinsically better and more important than DPS players for playing tanks.

What I read from this thread tells me that they are upset because the tank got upset because they decided to pull before them. Rather than telling "it's ok to pull more, we got you", you just went ahead and decided for yourself. How is that considerate for the party? Please, let us not generalize things and conclude that tanks doing this are ego tripping. We don't even know what's going on with them. Oh, and if people will say that this doesn't happen in other regions and that they're nice, they just want to get over this thing but I bet some of them were also annoyed by doing this kind of behavior.

You can ignore this person that didn't see the front page 700 page healer thread and strike regarding other roles (such as tank) being given healer abilities that lower the usefulness of healers (exact wording: "encroaches on the role - 399 likes"), as well as noting that tank sustain getting buffed again for a 2nd expansion when it wasn't needed. ("increased tank sustain that they didn't need - 121 likes"). People are out here unsubbing from the game and refusing to play the role in content in mass because their role is being slowly invalidated and is boring af, but apparently some people want to have an identity crisis going into denial about their importance, meanwhile ACTUAL healers have been making threads with 300+ upvotes since 2020 that literally read "Warrior, paladin and gunbreaker all have enough sustain that they literally don't need healers and can keep other party members alive at the same time." "but the problem is that collectively the overall mitigation and healing from non healers is enough to negate healers entirely."

You got a small minority of the gaslighting section the forums saying healers are just as important as tanks, and the other 95%+ making threads, going on strike, and giving feedback how they feel useless and negated inside of content.

What you're referring to seems totally irrelevant to this topic.

[ObscuraFi]

What you're referring to seems totally irrelevant to this topic.

It's a spin off from the idea that tanks should be the one's controlling the group's pace instead of a dps or healer, whether that applies to dungeons or raid content. And the reason I said they have that choice is because they are the most important role toward that content's completion being the necessary shield. That's when people got into healers and dps's being just as important, yada yada yada.

[noelregnard]

It's a spin off from the idea that tanks should be the one's controlling the group's pace instead of a dps or healer, whether that applies to dungeons or raid content. And the reason I said they have that choice is because they are the most important role toward that content's completion being the necessary shield. That's when people got into healers and dps's being just as important, yada yada yada.

"I'M THE MAIN CHARACTER, I'M THE ONE WHO MAKES ALL THE DECISION, I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO MATTERS"

[noelregnard]

What I read from this thread tells me that they are upset because the tank got upset because they decided to pull before them. Rather than telling "it's ok to pull more, we got you", you just went ahead and decided for yourself. How is that considerate for the party? Please, let us not generalize things and conclude that tanks doing this are ego tripping. We don't even know what's going on with them. Oh, and if people will say that this doesn't happen in other regions and that they're nice, they just want to get over this thing but I bet some of them were also annoyed by doing this kind of behavior.



What you're referring to seems totally irrelevant to this topic.

Well, the other guy you quoting is literally suggesting tank is the only role that matters. If that's not ego tripping then what is?
Just read their posts, couldn't be more blatant. Oh the Voidsent guy is the same as the guy above btw.

[Dimi824]

Well, the other guy you quoting is literally suggesting tank is the only role that matters. If that's not ego tripping then what is?

There's probably something in a psychology textbook.

[Kyanari]

Well, the other guy you quoting is literally suggesting tank is the only role that matters. If that's not ego tripping then what is?
Just read their posts, couldn't be more blatant. Oh the Voidsent guy is the same as the guy above btw.

I don't remember quoting anybody when I replied here first.

[noelregnard]

I don't remember quoting anybody when I replied here first.

The guy you quoted in the in same post you quoted me? The guy I just replied to right above?