FFXIV: Do Better

[Evergrey]

WoW's forums during its lowest points taught me that there's no such thing as bad or overly formulaic content or systems, just burnout.

Mm.. Sooner or later regardless of what the content offers it will feel repetative and people will feel burnt out.
So even if FFXIV changed things up and introduced new stuff and ways to play it would end up the same way.
Which is why, in my opinion, taking breaks and playing something else to change things up is a good thing.

[LaylaTsarra]

Watch my level sit at 90 and eat my nouliths.

Enjoy your new game it's fine one doesn't have to stay if they aren't happy.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

Congratulations, you are the target audience.

Going to use this as a burning insult from now on.

[Connor]

I truly wish it weren’t the case but I see absolutely no scenario in which the devs make any major changes to any job pre-8.0. They’ll be too terrified of messing up their precious raid balance

[Lorika]

Congratulations, you are the target audience. Off to another 10 years of homogenization and designing for the bottom of the barrel.

Again with this infamous homogenization that only exist in the mind of few.
yeah each role share some core gameplay mechaic, but that's all.

Tank have tools to get the aggro and to mitigate some damages.... but seriously, if you play a GNB like you play a WAR.... Sorry i don't want you as a Tank.
The same, if you play SGE like you play AST.... Wipe incoming.
Etc...etc...

Sharing some core gameplay mechanic doesn't mean homogenization like this forum love to scream about it.
I tested all the job to some extend (at least to level 70 for thoses i hated), and i never got the same feelings from each job. yeah they were some similarities on some role (healer and tank), but past level 50 it slowy began to fade away to enter the realm of each have they own rotation and gameplay while retaining some core mechanic.
In my book this isn't Homogenization.... If we had one, each job would exactly look the same gameplay with the same rotation, with the skills a copy of each other, just with a different job name and job skills name ... Which it isn't the case..... The only part were you feel a sort of Homogenization is under the level 50.... So, i assume that thoses that talk about it, never get pass level 50 with a lot of jobs

[Connor]

Again with this infamous homogenization that only exist in the mind of few.
yeah each role share some core gameplay mechaic, but that's all.

Tank have tools to get the aggro and to mitigate some damages.... but seriously, if you play a GNB like you play a WAR.... Sorry i don't want you as a Tank.
The same, if you play SGE like you play AST.... Wipe incoming.
Etc...etc...

Sharing some core gameplay mechanic doesn't mean homogenization like this forum love to scream about it.
I tested all the job to some extend (at least to level 70 for thoses i hated), and i never got the same feelings from each job. yeah they were some similarities on some role (healer and tank), but past level 50 it slowy began to fade away to enter the realm of each have they own rotation and gameplay while retaining some core mechanic.
In my book this isn't Homogenization.... If we had one, each job would exactly look the same gameplay with the same rotation, with the skills a copy of each other, just with a different job name and job skills name ... Which it isn't the case..... The only part were you feel a sort of Homogenization is under the level 50.... So, i assume that thoses that talk about it, never get pass level 50 with a lot of jobs

This is because they do their homogenisation in weird ‘class pairs’. Obviously comparing Sage and Astrologian doesn’t work because they aren’t ‘paired’, but if you compare Sage with Scholar suddenly you start to realise it’s the essentially same job twice. Likewise comparing White Mage and Astrologian. For other roles like phys ranged, Bard and Dancer are paired, so looking at their skill sets they have a ton of equivalents and very similar skills overall.

It’s maybe not as black and white as being
‘absolute homogenous’ or ‘none whatsoever’, but there are definitely some very heavily homogenised designs between the ‘class pairs’ they’ve set up.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You are terribly wrong If you think this is the Case... There are less and less people who watch ff14 on Twitch (Peak was round about 2 years ago when Asmon Played). Many people unsubbed because The Story ist terrible and does Not motivate to do anything Else. Besides that there is nothing Special...every Expansion is The Same Patch cycle with The Same Stuff nothing Out of The Box...

Twitch is a terrible metric, I've never watched streaming for this game. Hell, I only watch one streamer at all.

[ZephyrMenodora]

This is because they do their homogenisation in weird ‘class pairs’. Obviously comparing Sage and Astrologian doesn’t work because they aren’t ‘paired’, but if you compare Sage with Scholar suddenly you start to realise it’s the essentially same job twice. Likewise comparing White Mage and Astrologian. For other roles like phys ranged, Bard and Dancer are paired, so looking at their skill sets they have a ton of equivalents and very similar skills overall.

It’s maybe not as black and white as being
‘absolute homogenous’ or ‘none whatsoever’, but there are definitely some very heavily homogenised designs between the ‘class pairs’ they’ve set up.

I don't feel the same playing any of the healers. They all have some basic skills but what I am doing and the feel of it changes a lot. I don't play AST the same as WHM, even if they have the same 4 basic GCD heals and some basic concepts overlap.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

Twitch is a terrible metric, I've never watched streaming for this game. Hell, I only watch one streamer at all.

At least the population playing on Steam shows a similar trajectory as Endwalker. Huge expansion launch, very very steep drop immediately that will probably level out to the addicts after a few more weeks.

[ZephyrMenodora]

At least the population playing on Steam shows a similar trajectory as Endwalker. Huge expansion launch, very very steep drop immediately that will probably level out to the addicts after a few more weeks.

Pretty much how every game release works.