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    ty_taurus's Avatar
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90

    FFXIV: Do Better

    Hello, all.

    My sub ends tomorrow, so I believe this will be my last message for a while--maybe until 8.0. I have not touched a single minute of Dawntrail's story, its dungeons, or its content. Yet it's not because I'm burnt out of FFXIV. On the contrary, I have a very strong urge to play through Dawntrail's content, but what I have absolutely no drive to do whatsoever is put up with Endwalker job design any longer. It's a weird feeling, having both a constant urge to want to play the game and yet dreading the idea of actually playing the game. I want to explore the Story. I refuse to put up with Dosis spam. I want to try Arcadion. I am burnt out of DPS jobs. I want to see the upcoming field operations. I have no interest in trying tank jobs. I feel torn to say the least.

    I'll get to the point. I love FFXIV, but I hate Endwalker PVE job design. I would play through the story as PVP Sage if I could, but I can't, and there's not a single PVE job that I want to touch with a 10 foot pole. Yoshi P, if you truly want FFXIV to be a game for everyone, do better.

    Because this ongoing hyper simplified job design has alienated not just me, but many others who have also resigned and left the game. There has to be a better middle ground that's still approachable but doesn't exclude the players who want to engage with job design. Don't wait for 8.0 to make changes. Just waiting for 8.0 to address these issues is cutting corners when there are things you could do now to make job design more enjoyable without sweeping reworks.

    Make healers more enjoyable now. Leave Viper alone for the players who enjoy its complexity. Restore nonstandard gameplay aspects to Black Mage and other jobs as well. There is a healthy middle ground you can achieve with job design, and this is clearly not it. Goodbye for now everyone, I hope all of you are able to find enjoyment in the jobs even if I cannot and enjoy what Dawntrail has in store. I sincerely hope I can return sooner rather than later.
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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

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    Wise Fuchsia
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    Phantom
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    Summoner Lv 90
    I usually spend early expansion just leveling up jobs and whatnot, but this time I kinda feel same. Going to wait for 8.0 to hopefully see major revisions that make them more fun to play instead of pushing on.

    If only they could take the flavor they have in PvP and build upon that, but it will probably require some big decisions.

    I'd imagine if they had the balls to make all the DPS greedy it would allow for vast more variety as they'd no longer have to rely on stacking buffs for windows and could have vastly different playstyles and internal timers, sure it would probably mean some perform better or worse based on fight timelines but having actual options to pick from would be great.

    Like having real option between spell/skill speed builds to mitigate the timelines.
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    Ishimar Furial
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    Cactuar
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    Summoner Lv 93
    Yea I usually immediately level up a couple more characters to level cap but I just have no drive to this time. Then again I wasn't going to even come back for Dawntrail but the fear of missing out got me two days before release.

    After my months up I'm out until Beast master drops. After that...I dunno. Might just wait to see what 8.0 has in store before grinding through 7.x.
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    Fionn Flamecrest
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    Carbuncle
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    Paladin Lv 100
    You could always just stick to PVP, try out new jobs there as well. I know when I got into crystal conflict, I finally unlocked every job to try them out and learn them for CC.
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    Last edited by Doomfist; 07-17-2024 at 06:18 PM.

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    Maweth Ashari
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    Shiva
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Game has still enough Players who why would they care about a few people? Its like the Healerstrikes its a MINORITY nobody cares about it, only a handful people.
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    Cutest Fox
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust View Post
    Game has still enough Players who why would they care about a few people? Its like the Healerstrikes its a MINORITY nobody cares about it, only a handful people.
    It's this kind of attitude that causes nothing but rot
    There is no reason to not strive for better and ask for better
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    Faux Ears
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    Hyperion
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    Warrior Lv 100
    I've personally enjoyed every job I have played so far. Well... maybe not Scholar, but that may just be because it's not for me. But I'm loving the direction the devs are taking with job design.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust View Post
    Game has still enough Players who why would they care about a few people? Its like the Healerstrikes its a MINORITY nobody cares about it, only a handful people.
    And when you have a concern about the game I hope people are there to call you a minority until the invisible majority has eaten itself alive
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Celeste Valeria
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilford111 View Post
    I've personally enjoyed every job I have played so far. Well... maybe not Scholar, but that may just be because it's not for me. But I'm loving the direction the devs are taking with job design.
    Congratulations, you are the target audience. Off to another 10 years of homogenization and designing for the bottom of the barrel.
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    Dave Fishnomer
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutestfox View Post
    It's this kind of attitude that causes nothing but rot
    There is no reason to not strive for better and ask for better
    They are right tho, people who want to see this game gets better are the minority, most people are either content with the current state or their personality is so embedded with the game that they see any criticism of the game as a criticism of them.

    The game is most likely (Hope to be proven wrong here) doomed to getting worse with time.
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