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  1. #6901
    Player
    Galvuu's Avatar
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    Galveira Vorfeed
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    Ragnarok
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Phys ranged is the next role behind healer that just feels like it’s there for the sake of the baseline full party comp and not because it actually brings anything to the table so it doesn’t surprise me it’s the next least common role

    The phys ranged get taxed for uptime nobody except BLM and PCT are actually fighting for. BRD specifically is one of the most complex and rigid jobs in the game and all it has to show for it is being a worse DNC because feeding gear to a specific dance partner is worth more than BRD’s uniform buffs and MCH is getting taxed for its role while being a selfish DPS

    both healers and phys ranged suffer from near redundancy of their role in a conventional party
    Phys ranged also feels the worse to play out of the dps, imho. BRD is the most engaging but has some very obtuse design choices (no charge on Apex for whatever reason, punishing on death...) and the other two are underpowered and, especially for DNC, kinda dull.
    But I don't want to derail the healer thread with dps woes, especially since any of those three is leagues ahead of any healer in terms of engagement.
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  2. #6902
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    ToodlesElNoodles's Avatar
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    Nagxia
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    Character
    Hoatu Hotus
    World
    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    You can also look at PF and see that most groups are waiting for healers. At least, that’s the case on Aether.
    It’s absolutely the last to fill up on Crystal. I’ve also noticed a severe lack of ASTs.

    I worry that the devs will get the wrong message of “Oh no! We made DT healing too hard!” when it’s actually, “It’s still too boring.”
    (8)

  3. #6903
    Player Venarius's Avatar
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    Character
    Celeste Valeria
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    I took a week long break from playing and healing only to return yesterday because a friends PF wasn't filling in 40 minutes. Friday evening, prime time. So I went and we did a couple clears. I felt awful afterwards and thought what the fuck am I even doing, this isn't fun.

    I think I just accepted that this game isn't for me anymore and am ready to move on for good.

    This thread and all your opinions made me reflect and encouraged my decision. If anything this Strike freed one frustrated healer from the chains of mediocrity. It was a good run, best of luck to you all!
    (15)

  4. #6904
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    Tint's Avatar
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    Character
    Karuru Karu
    World
    Shiva
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ToodlesElNoodles View Post
    It’s absolutely the last to fill up on Crystal. I’ve also noticed a severe lack of ASTs.

    I worry that the devs will get the wrong message of “Oh no! We made DT healing too hard!” when it’s actually, “It’s still too boring.”
    Actually it's both. Kind of.

    There are way too many mechanics and mechanic combos which will one shot you. And then? Nobody will raise you. So you let the team down and then have to watch how useless you actually are to the team when they kill the boss anyway.

    You feel like you have responsibility and are a burden at the same time. Playing healer is probably not difficult - but it can be frustrating. Couple that with boring gameplay and you have a recipe to have a role which is too taxing to play for casuals and too easy for hardcore players.

    There is no room inbetween.

    Of course nobody wants to play the role.
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    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

  5. #6905
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    ToodlesElNoodles's Avatar
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    Hoatu Hotus
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
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    Very well said!
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  6. #6906
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    Kozmakis's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Pencho Gipsa
    World
    Twintania
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    Actually it's both. Kind of.

    There are way too many mechanics and mechanic combos which will one shot you. And then? Nobody will raise you. So you let the team down and then have to watch how useless you actually are to the team when they kill the boss anyway.

    You feel like you have responsibility and are a burden at the same time. Playing healer is probably not difficult - but it can be frustrating. Couple that with boring gameplay and you have a recipe to have a role which is too taxing to play for casuals and too easy for hardcore players.

    There is no room inbetween.
    Well put, hats off to you!
    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    Of course nobody wants to play the role.
    This statement, I unfortunately would have to disagree with... Not because it's incorrect, but because it's only been 11 days since the release of Dawntrail - and, after all, each expansion so far lasted for about 2 years... It's just too early to say how many of the healers will stick to the role. I am seeing a good amount of Sprout icons next to healers in Dungeons and Alliance Raids; time will tell what they will decide to do in the future, maybe they will enjoy it.
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  7. #6907
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    ty_taurus's Avatar
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    Noah Orih
    World
    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Why make such polarizing design choices that trade your old audience for a new one when you can find a middle ground that lets you keep your old audience while attracting new members?
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  8. #6908
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Character
    Grainne Gothram
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    Phys ranged also feels the worse to play out of the dps, imho. BRD is the most engaging but has some very obtuse design choices (no charge on Apex for whatever reason, punishing on death...) and the other two are underpowered and, especially for DNC, kinda dull.
    But I don't want to derail the healer thread with dps woes, especially since any of those three is leagues ahead of any healer in terms of engagement.
    level 96 dancer trait/ability is the single most "you missed why people enjoy this job" moment ever. Literally just removing the dance inputs for no reason, its not even stronger than standard finish lmao.
    (4)

  9. #6909
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    GrimGale's Avatar
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    Grim Gaelasch
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    You can also look at PF and see that most groups are waiting for healers. At least, that’s the case on Aether.
    Same on Chaos. Yesterday night was especially barren in the green slots-
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  10. #6910
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I don't see why combo consolidation has to be all or nothing. I've always pushed for the option to combine your combo into one button while the job is designed with the idea that the combo is one button in mind.

    That way, if people find the kit too bloated, they can consolidate the combo. But if someone wants the versatility of being able to reset their combo, they can too.

    That said, a 1-2-3 combo addition to healers would be the laziest thing they could do. That would 100% be bloat for the sake of bloat.
    Basically this. I would love to see an improved, far more user-friendly, intuitive, and helps-along rehaul of macros, be it by a new name or no, that would allow us to combine keys about any which way we feel like, and from there see how many buttons people actually like to run under their present reason for separation.

    From there, if we do not revise combos in any way to make them desire more buttons than there are actual choices in a given GCD, we might make some adjustments such as preventing players from hitting combo actions they haven't yet prepped (or providing that option) for parity's sake. However, I hope laying the reality bare in that way would entice either more geometric series of choices (e.g., as not to waste consolidated keyspace, 3 choices in every DRG GCD instead of a real choice only once per 10 ST GCDs or after every 3 AoE GCDs) or to find more reason for the separate buttons (e.g., the ability to rush combos at consequently greater cost to resource and loss to duration and/or potency, more situational value, or even replacement with "natural" combos instead of predefined strict ones.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 07-14-2024 at 03:47 AM.

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