#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kes13a]

Edit: Unless what you are saying is SE just makes changes based off their own whims and just state player feedback but are just going based off their own personal feedback. If that is the case then how is this game growing in population? Is the story in itself all that carries this game?

after the viper changes less than a week after launch, that no one asked for, that no one who played the game long enough to learn the job asked for...

can you -really- say they do not? based on that kind of kneejerk reaction, I would say yes... it is based 99% off their whims and 1% player feedback, if any.

[Ramiee]

With summoners popularity there are more healers because people will just play SCH in roulettes then go back to their main whenever they have the chance.
There are healers in this game but there are barely any healer mains and it really shows, ive played with plenty of SCH who don't use most of their kit and some who didnt do job quests to unlock some abilities. Even with Sage by far the most popular healer with the most mains, they really aren't that good at the job. I don't think people really main healers, they main DPS/Tanks and have a healer they go to sometimes.

[Naychan]

In a moment of weakness in my ambition to get the Level 100 mount as soon as possible, I decided to queue as Sage into the 95 dungeon for quicker levelling - shouldn't be too bad right? I'm immediately greeted with a WAR who never needs any healing, a melee DPS who bloodbaths everything, and a pictomancer who knows the mechanics. Any unavoidable AOE is immediately mitigated and healed by the WAR as well with their ''shake it off/nascent flash'' abilities.

I didn't even put kardia on anyone, or have to heal anything. I literally just mashed one button for 90% of the encounter and left the dungeon. The WAR being a literal healer and replacing me isn't even the biggest problem, it's that this role just has nothing going for it outside high-end prog. No fun, nothing stimulating, no rotation of DPS buttons or mechanics to do that literally every other role gets to have. I had to put on a youtube video on a second monitor to keep me from falling asleep, how the fuck is this acceptable design for a 5th consecutive year? I just refuse to do it - the healers will be levelled with beast tribes, frontline, and books.

Small rant about my 20 minute experience of being yet again, shocked at how abysmal healing has become and how the developers have had 5 years to fix or improve on this, and instead triple down.

(Sarcasm) But wait to you get to level 100!! Then you will have more abilities you don’t need!

[DaveFishnomer]

So, how is it going? I've been keeping my ear to the ground and I have honestly have yet to feel the strike, I do have a healer friend I play with most of the time so that is most likely why, but even when I solo Q I did not notice any difference.

Not a troll btw, I'm all for the strike and agree with your points, I just really want to know if it looks like it's "working" at all from your point of view.

[Connor]

So, how is it going? I've been keeping my ear to the ground and I have honestly have yet to feel the strike, I do have a healer friend I play with most of the time so that is most likely why, but even when I solo Q I did not notice any difference.

I keep seeing reports of ‘healer queues not changing at all’, but frankly now I’m trying to levelling Pictomancer I have to question how many of these reporters are actually using Duty Finder over just jumping into dungeons with static/fc members. I literally haven’t had a single dungeon queue on Pictomancer that wasn’t 20+ minutes (on Odin world). Another dps will usually appear within 5 minutes, but then it’s another 15 minutes for one single healer to appear, and even longer for the tanks! Whether it’s the healer strike or something else, my experience has been that the healer shortage has absolutely tanked queues for dps.

And even with a cursed double-dps expansion, these queue times are hugely disproportionate to the actual population of active players, further suggesting that there’s more than enough players for short dps queues; they simply refuse to play healers anymore.

As an aside, interestingly it’s still tanks that take longest to appear on my server. Waiting on a healer is abysmal, but waiting on a tank is literal hell lol. I don’t remember it ever being as bad during Endwalker for either of them. Hell sometimes I’d get instant dps queues. So not only is there a huge healer shortage, but the exact same thing has happened to tanks too.

[DaveFishnomer]

Yes but as you said it's the same and even longer for tanks, and there is no "Tank strike" is there? as far as my memory serves solo dps queue was always insane, I used to play other games in the background for 30m + until a dungeon popped, granted, I did not level a lot of dps over the years, but that is my experience with it at least.

[Connor]

Yes but as you said it's the same and even longer for tanks, and there is no "Tank strike" is there?.

I mean, you can consult any one of the many, many, many threads about the many issues tanks currently have with current content design. There’s no ‘official’ thread on it, but there essentially is a ‘tank strike’, people just haven’t been as direct with it as they have for healers

I’m not sure what relevance the dps queues of other games has to this topic. FFXIV has an enormous playerbase and more than enough players that there’s no logical reason we should be waiting so long for healers or tanks, unless there’s fundamental issues with both those roles putting people off ever playing then

[Kes13a]

Yes but as you said it's the same and even longer for tanks, and there is no "Tank strike" is there? as far as my memory serves solo dps queue was always insane, I used to play other games in the background for 30m + until a dungeon popped, granted, I did not level a lot of dps over the years, but that is my experience with it at least.

never fear, if there are not enough tanks for things, I am sure that SE will do their best to remove the stress and difficulty of being a tank, and they will get the same loving attention that healers received.

[DaveFishnomer]

never fear, if there are not enough tanks for things, I am sure that SE will do their best to remove the stress and difficulty of being a tank, and they will get the same loving attention that healers received.

What stress? I main a drk, have been for years, tanks are just getting worse year by year(unless you play war), I feel like a glorified dps a lot of the time, even in extremes and raids you might have one "different" thing you need to do, but I'm just a weaker dps overall.
I think people dont play a lot of tanks because it's just a weaker dps, might as well play a dps(?), also, they dont release new interesting tanks and healers. they released two new dps's, so ya, a lot of people play the new dps's, every group I join today has at least one viper and one picto, it's gonna be like that for a few months.

If they released a new healer you would see it more, like they did with sage.

I mean, you can consult any one of the many, many, many threads about the many issues tanks currently have with current content design. There’s no ‘official’ thread on it, but there essentially is a ‘tank strike’, people just haven’t been as direct with it as they have for healers

I’m not sure what relevance the dps queues of other games has to this topic. FFXIV has an enormous playerbase and more than enough players that there’s no logical reason we should be waiting so long for healers or tanks, unless there’s fundamental issues with both those roles putting people off ever playing then

Well, Ya I guess you are right, I play the role because I like it thematicly but I am mostly a dps that dies a bit slower, no real mechanic of being a tank, it happens sometimes in highend content, but even there, here is a tank buster, or, grab that tether then tank buster, or, here are 5 tank busters in a row, switch with the OT a couple of times.

[Aword3213]

never fear, if there are not enough tanks for things, I am sure that SE will do their best to remove the stress and difficulty of being a tank, and they will get the same loving attention that healers received.

Playing tanks is too hard and too stressful for me.

I really want to play as tanks to fulfill my fantacy I have on my WoL. Unfortunately, I feel the responsibilty in playing tanks is gatekeeping me

Hopefully one day SE will give passive 500 potency aoe regen aura on tank stance, so tank role will be more accessible for people like me. While they're on it, please make tank rotation easier. I have trouble managing aggro due to the complexity in their current kit. Maybe make Fellcleave consume no Beast gauge, remove Upheaval, or something like that.