Give back pre-DT models back NOW

[Iscah]

I don't understand how anyone can say the old graphics were somehow better.... 7.0 was a massive improvement visually.

Asking for the old models is not the same thing as asking for the old graphics.

We were told we'd be getting the same appearances – or as close to it as they could keep – and instead we have been given many seemingly arbitrary changes.

But yall are still gonna go play with your characters right?

Am I, indeed?

I've put countless hours into this game and my specific characters. Posting glamours on Eorzea Collection has been one of my biggest hobbies for some time.

I'll finish MSQ with the girl who is at best almost-but-not-quite Aurelie, and at worst a puffy-faced stranger with a bored resting face and uncanny smile – it varies with the angle and lighting but sadly is more frequently the latter.

Then I'll play a bit with the alts that pre-"upgrade" I was hoping to take into Dawntrail next, and see if they feel anything more like themselves once in motion, because they don't feel it at all so far. U'zolwe (face 4 Miqo'te) has lost his sharp and alert look that defined his character to me; Haru (face 3 Au Ra) has gone the opposite way and his soft-for-an-Au Ra face has become harsher and cruel-looking. Most of my other characters have had similar changes of mood, and it saps my enthusiasm to play even the few remaining.

As it stands, I have no desire to play them any more – no desire to play with glamours, no desire to take new screenshots and place these impostors alongside the originals as the same character.

Unless the faces are either reverted to their original shapes or new faces added so old and new are separate options, my characters are gone right now, and I don't think I can get them back.

New models are better and absolutely close enough to the old ones to pass as "the same character". 98% of people wouldn't notice if you changed details of their character without telling them.

So the people who wouldn't notice the change, also won't notice or care if it changes again.

And no, the models are not close enough to pass as the same characters. Some can, others are a long way off.

I am fairly sure this is intended to be the same expression, for example:



The new face isn't just "not the same", it's simply not even a pleasant face to look at half the time. The art style probably never would have hooked me if the faces looked like this when I started the game.

A surprising amount of joy came from just seeing my character in cutscenes and how pretty she looked. Now she just looks puffy and strangely modelled – the eyes have big fleshy rims in the outer corners and the space between nose and mouth has a bizarre pinched-inwards shape as if she's puckering her lips at all times. There is no setting that will get rid of this.

I'll finish Dawntrail, I'll play through the Arcadion story, but I have no desire to spend any more time with this changeling than I have to.

[Aurumis]

Fact is: I don't want the old models back. I don't want the old lighting back.
I like the new models and I am looking forward to SE actually capitalizing on their capabilities (kind of a bummer that they don't, chars even have actually rigged tongues now Oo).

SE can go ham in terms of adding more options, I'll never be against more variety but I DO NOT WANT CHANGES to what is there right just to please a few people that are obsessed. And I am certain that I am not alone with this sentiment.

"I like my character so fuck you if you don't like yours. What I want is valid, what you want is not."

Dear, we want them to fix the faces they fucked up and ruined, stop being ridiculous.

[Granyala]

"I like my character so fuck you if you don't like yours. What I want is valid, what you want is not."

Dear, we want them to fix the faces they fucked up and ruined, stop being ridiculous.

Except you are blaring for the very same thing you accuse me of.

You don't give a shit about 1000s of people that may enjoy the new faces.
YOU have a problem with it, your opinion is the only one that matters (naturally) so it should all be fixed to YOUR tastes and no one elses.

Give me a break, drama queen.

[Carin-Eri]

I’m the person who made the character shown in this comparison image, so I’d like to add my thoughts.

I never really thought the update made my character look older, though if other face 4 users feel like this, I think I can see why. The corners of the new mouth do create an effect that could be interpreted as smile lines.

What I personally take issue with is the feminized look of the new face. The nose looks smaller, the lips look doll-like, the eyelashes look bigger, and so on. This character’s appearance is now more in line with generic anime girl beauty standards (or, as one might say, “better”), but this is the opposite of what I intended for this character’s design. Beyond my own character, I think the changes to face 4 have reduced the variety of potential female miqo’te faces in an unfortunate way, since face 4 now looks more like the other three faces.

Fair enough - I guess it is, like most things, subjective.

As said earlier, I actually embrace the fact that my character looks ever so slightly older and prefer the changes:

Left EW, Right DT.

But I guess I can see why such changes, regardless of how slight, might bother others.

[Aurumis]

Except you are blaring for the very same thing you accuse me of.

You don't give a shit about 1000s of people that may enjoy the new faces.
YOU have a problem with it, your opinion is the only one that matters (naturally) so it should all be fixed to YOUR tastes and no one elses.

Give me a break, drama queen.

I actually do!! I said to fix the issues with the faces, not to change all of them, unlike you what an hypocrite you are, biggest of drama queen of the entire forum

[Evergrey]

I actually do!! I said to fix the issues with the faces, not to change all of them, unlike you what an hypocrite you are, biggest of drama queen of the entire forum

Fixing issues are all fine and dandy. But a lot of people who call out to fix it wants the changes reversed. That's not fixing an issue in that regard.

[Avidria]

Fixing issues are all fine and dandy. But a lot of people who call out to fix it wants the changes reversed. That's not fixing an issue in that regard.

Exactly this ^^

I actually agree that some faces definitely did stay more faithful to the original than others, but at this point reversing those is going to cause problems for people who like the way they look now and possibly already fantasiad. Like me. I was always going to change to bunny, I don't tend to stick with one race for more than an expansion if that usually, but i absolutely love the way my character looks now and it'd suck to have to fantasia again so soon if they try to "fix" the face I'm using.

The solution here really would be to add more customization options that are closer to the original. Not ideal and maybe not even likely, but there's kind of not a way to change them now that isnt going to piss *someone* off.

[Merrigan]

Came back to the forum.

See, once again, a Karen thread about a random opinion.

*Sigh*

[Cheapshot]

Fixing issues are all fine and dandy. But a lot of people who call out to fix it wants the changes reversed. That's not fixing an issue in that regard.

Who’s “a lot of people”? I’ve seen less than a handful demanding reversal, and usually because they’re still feeling raw and overwhelmed. The large majority of those I’ve seen unhappy with their new appearance more realistically just want some fixes and further work done on them to get closer to the original looks. The graphics update was rushed and is unfinished anyway, and they plan to complete it over the course of 7.x. Letting the devs know what they need to work on during that process is something both constructive and what they asked us to do here.

[Aurumis]

Fixing issues are all fine and dandy. But a lot of people who call out to fix it wants the changes reversed. That's not fixing an issue in that regard.

I know asking to be like before it's pointless because they will never do it. But they don't even listener to what people told them when the benchmark 1 and 2 were out. They fixed the viera noses, the hair bug, and some lightning, but that's it. Why feedback if you are not gonna fix what your players are telling?
If you fucked up, you go back. If an eye look went from normal to having a dead fish look, revert it fixing it. You make them look like before, you can still have the new lightning, texture, etc. But if you did wrong, you go back and make them look how they were before, using the new graphics or not. Many faces ARE NOT how they were before. And they PROMISED they would not modify them, just update the graphics. Which they failed completely with many faces. A lof of them look the same, or are better, but many are not and have issues.