#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Nanobiscuit]

I'm just going to throw in my opinion as someone who's been healing since Stormblood. I think the point of the healers not being unique enough is fair, however, I have become more and more in love with healing, and Scholar, because of the more recent changes to the job and healing in general. Most of my examples will involve Scholar as it's the job I have the most experience with but I believe the general idea of my points can be applied to the other healing jobs.

I personally don't think much needs changing and if anything, fleshing out the identity of each job's unique aspects should be the direction. Adding more to spend the fairy gauge on, for example, like damage spells, buffs and more utility based abilities. I also wouldn't enjoy Scholar if things like Miasma and Shadow Flare were brought back, I think they are needless and bloat the job too much. I'd rather focus on managing my Fairy's CDs with the shielding than having to re-apply dots. Although, Shadow Flare's effect could be added to sacred soil to give it a dual purpose. I do want to add that I agree that the damage "rotation", if you can call it that, for healers is underwhelming and most of the time a little boring, but again, adding the damage aspect to the identity of the job would benefit it more than just adding more spells to cast. The idea of merging with your fairy to cast more powerful damaging spells is something that I was thinking of as a general suggestion

The stage we're at right now is one where healers would benefit from new ideas going deeper into identity rather than simply adding things just for the sake of it.

[Supersnow845]

I'm just going to throw in my opinion as someone who's been healing since Stormblood. I think the point of the healers not being unique enough is fair, however, I have become more and more in love with healing, and Scholar, because of the more recent changes to the job and healing in general. Most of my examples will involve Scholar as it's the job I have the most experience with but I believe the general idea of my points can be applied to the other healing jobs.

I personally don't think much needs changing and if anything, fleshing out the identity of each job's unique aspects should be the direction. Adding more to spend the fairy gauge on, for example, like damage spells, buffs and more utility based abilities. I also wouldn't enjoy Scholar if things like Miasma and Shadow Flare were brought back, I think they are needless and bloat the job too much. I'd rather focus on managing my Fairy's CDs with the shielding than having to re-apply dots. Although, Shadow Flare's effect could be added to sacred soil to give it a dual purpose. I do want to add that I agree that the damage "rotation", if you can call it that, for healers is underwhelming and most of the time a little boring, but again, adding the damage aspect to the identity of the job would benefit it more than just adding more spells to cast. The idea of merging with your fairy to cast more powerful damaging spells is something that I was thinking of as a general suggestion

The stage we're at right now is one where healers would benefit from new ideas going deeper into identity rather than simply adding things just for the sake of it.

SCH’s lost so much of its identity we are at the point of people arguing we should lean more into its identity but doing exactly the opposite of what its actual identity is

And people say healers don’t have an identity crisis

I mean, content becoming more boring with repetition and optimization is true for all jobs. That's just a function of the fact that FFXIV fights are entirely scripted. I don't disagree that it's more of an issue on healer and doing DPS could be a bit more engaging, but insisting that healers are all boring and awful because long stretches of just doing DPS is boring is willfully ignoring, y'know, the whole "healing" thing. In my opinion, the fun of healing is in that mit plan creation and CD optimization you mentioned- that aspect of healing remains, it just unfortunately isn't all that applicable in normal content.

Yes I think it’s perfectly valid to say healers are awful because “HEALING” amounts to pressing sacred soil every 45 seconds between my constant broil casts, I’m not gonna minimise the monotony of that

[Moonjava]

Yes I think it’s perfectly valid to say healers are awful because “HEALING” amounts to pressing sacred soil every 45 seconds between my constant broil casts, I’m not gonna minimise the monotony of that

And now we circle back to "do harder content." If you're making it through ultimates by using Soil every 45 seconds and clicking Broil otherwise, I'd love to meet your cohealer.

[Supersnow845]

And now we circle back to "do harder content." If you're making it through ultimates by using Soil every 45 seconds and clicking Broil otherwise, I'd love to meet your cohealer.

Which circles back to the problem that a job shouldn’t only be semi decent in ultimate content

I’ve easily cleared savages with half my kit outhealing my cohealer, all I do is spam broil. My job shouldn’t only semi engage me in literally 5 fights in the entire game

There are ways to raise the skill ceiling in all content without raising the skill floor, the skill ceiling shouldn’t be in a different piece of content

[Moonjava]

Which circles back to the problem that a job shouldn’t only be semi decent in ultimate content

I’ve easily cleared savages with half my kit outhealing my cohealer, all I do is spam broil. My job shouldn’t only semi engage me in literally 5 fights in the entire game

There are ways to raise the skill ceiling in all content without raising the skill floor, the skill ceiling shouldn’t be in a different piece of content

If you're only engaged when facing ultimate-level content, then I'm sorry to say the game is probably too easy for you to fully enjoy. Maybe you and your cohealer can alternate who gets to heal and who has to just DPS during savage so you both get to have fun at least half of the time.

The only way I can imagine raising the skill ceiling in easy content without raising the floor would be to add more options for DPS, which, again, I think is a reasonable request but one that's unlikely to be met by SE (not to any significant degree, anyway). I struggle to see a way to make the healing side of things more engaging without meaningfully raising the skill floor.

[Nanobiscuit]

SCH’s lost so much of its identity we are at the point of people arguing we should lean more into its identity but doing exactly the opposite of what its actual identity is

And people say healers don’t have an identity crisis



Yes I think it’s perfectly valid to say healers are awful because “HEALING” amounts to pressing sacred soil every 45 seconds between my constant broil casts, I’m not gonna minimise the monotony of that

Is the complexity you're talking about using macros to cast Eos spells in different situations? or the casting 3 dots? Because unfortunately, most healers haven't been complex since the dawn 2.0. I can agree that the manual use of Eos spells (and choosing selene or eos) was complex, I guess? I don't think it added much to the identity of the job, it just felt obtuse. If the healing you're doing is only sacred soil between broil, I think the problem lies in the content, not the job, I've done hard content where I do use everything and think it's fine and dare I even say fun.

[Krackzy]

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