#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Moonjava]

Can I just ask a very simple, but serious question? And this isn't specifically targeting you, but many people whose answer is the same...

Why is asking for all of a game's content to be fun seen as such a silly request? Like, does that not sound insane?

What happened to video games being about fun? If easy content isn't supposed to be fun and is just supposed to get you to the hard content, then why does it even exist at all?

You're conflating difficulty and fun. Content required for MSQ is always going to be easy, because SE understands that a ton of players only play FFXIV for the story and are not good at or interested in improving at the game, and they want to keep MSQ accessible to those players. There are plenty of people who find that level of difficulty to be just fine and have a perfectly good time with the game. Maybe you only find enjoyment in content that gives you a challenge- unfortunately, that means most normal-level content will never be fun to you. They provide optional higher-difficulty content to meet the needs of such players instead, hence the "do harder content" suggestion. If your complaint is that overall content design is boring, rather than the fact that easy content leaves healers specifically with less to do, that's an entirely different conversation.

This game is not tailor-made to suit any one person's tastes- it is a product that is designed to appeal to as many people as possible, and the best way to do that is to keep the skill floor low in required content and provide optional harder content for players that want to go above and beyond. It's unfortunate for you that that makes you dislike the required content, but I don't foresee it changing.

[Rolder50]

Healing in this game is pretty much the only time in an MMO I've seen where optimizing your gameplay leads to a dramatic decrease in fun.

[SamLeens]

Let's work with this fact. Tanks and DPS objectively have complex rotations and it does not interfere with their roles. DPS and tank damage rotations have gone up in complexity over time, meanwhile the bulk of what a healer does has remained uninspired. They should find the same "middle ground" that apparently exists for tanks and DPS and apply that to healers. And just to be clear, I am not asking for healers to have rotations that are comparable to either of the roles, but as it is now, healer is barely one step above pressing a solitary button over and over again as its gameplay in a large amount of this game's content.

I understand where your thoughts are coming from, but one thing still matters. Casuals bring in the most money. Casuals who don't have all the def CDs in the bar because they don't have room for them anymore. Who don't use a def cd bc the ilvl is so high. The casuals who only use a single healing skill and don't do dmg at all. They just don't care and don't see a reason to care. i'll be honest and say i don't know much about dds because i've never played them seriously. however, i always thought that dmg output determined "complexity".
i slowly believe that the content is more responsible than the healer class.

[ty_taurus]

You're conflating difficulty and fun. Content required for MSQ is always going to be easy, because SE understands that a ton of players only play FFXIV for the story and are not good at or interested in improving at the game, and they want to keep MSQ accessible to those players. There are plenty of people who find that level of difficulty to be just fine and have a perfectly good time with the game. Maybe you only find enjoyment in content that gives you a challenge- unfortunately, that means most normal-level content will never be fun to you. They provide optional higher-difficulty content to meet the needs of such players instead, hence the "do harder content" suggestion. If your complaint is that overall content design is boring, rather than the fact that easy content leaves healers specifically with less to do, that's an entirely different conversation.

This game is not tailor-made to suit any one person's tastes- it is a product that is designed to appeal to as many people as possible, and the best way to do that is to keep the skill floor low in required content and provide optional harder content for players that want to go above and beyond. It's unfortunate for you that that makes you dislike the required content, but I don't foresee it changing.

I mean, my bar for easy content being fun is surprisingly low. It's just the healers can't meet them. For me at least, while I do want a healthier balance of GCD healing and OGCD healing so that I do actually stop attacking and heal to some degree, if Sage just had a more active DPS rotation, I probably would not be here. If it felt like a true DPS oriented healer, I'd have shut up a long, long time ago. If it felt like PVP Sage, I'd have been satisfied. I was entirely content with Stormblood Scholar as well, for reference. I'm really not asking a lot.

[Novapuppets]

Just stop complaining and dps to make dungeons go faster. Idk people expect healers to actually have to heal in dungeons if I can get away with not casting any lilies in a dungeon or 24 man I am happy. If you want more engaging healing go do savage or ults cause you ain't getting it in dungeons.

[Supersnow845]

You're conflating difficulty and fun. Content required for MSQ is always going to be easy, because SE understands that a ton of players only play FFXIV for the story and are not good at or interested in improving at the game, and they want to keep MSQ accessible to those players. There are plenty of people who find that level of difficulty to be just fine and have a perfectly good time with the game. Maybe you only find enjoyment in content that gives you a challenge- unfortunately, that means most normal-level content will never be fun to you. They provide optional higher-difficulty content to meet the needs of such players instead, hence the "do harder content" suggestion. If your complaint is that overall content design is boring, rather than the fact that easy content leaves healers specifically with less to do, that's an entirely different conversation.

This game is not tailor-made to suit any one person's tastes- it is a product that is designed to appeal to as many people as possible, and the best way to do that is to keep the skill floor low in required content and provide optional harder content for players that want to go above and beyond. It's unfortunate for you that that makes you dislike the required content, but I don't foresee it changing.

Why is the answer not “low skill floors and high skill ceilings” rather than “skill ceiling is on the skill floor but you can choose to do it in higher difficulty content”

Just stop complaining and dps to make dungeons go faster. Idk people expect healers to actually have to heal in dungeons if I can get away with not casting any lilies in a dungeon or 24 man I am happy. If you want more engaging healing go do savage or ults cause you ain't getting it in dungeons.

Genuinely please read even a single complaint we have been giving because “I want to be a cure bot in dungeons” is about the farthest thing from what we want

[Rehayem]

Just stop complaining and dps to make dungeons go faster. Idk people expect healers to actually have to heal in dungeons if I can get away with not casting any lilies in a dungeon or 24 man I am happy. If you want more engaging healing go do savage or ults cause you ain't getting it in dungeons.

I'm glad you haven't read anything in this thread, showing the pure and bliss ignorance with the issue in the matter. How about going just one page back to read?

[UnconfirmedCat]

Casuals bring in the most money. Casuals who don't have all the def CDs in the bar because they don't have room for them anymore. Who don't use a def cd bc the ilvl is so high. The casuals who only use a single healing skill and don't do dmg at all. They just don't care and don't see a reason to care

Do they though? Do they really? And let's make a couple assumptions. Let's assume casuals are a huge portion of the player base, why is only healer the ultra-casualized role in the game on every single job? If this is such a big deal, then why aren't there more jobs in the DPS role that are just SMN? How does it make sense that all 4 healers need to have the simplest rotation possible to cater to casuals? Why not just one healer? This is why this line of thinking will never work, because it doesn't make sense. It raises a lot of questions that you, nor anyone else, is going to have convincing answers to. "Casuals" is not being used an excuse to reduce every other role in the game to what healer is right now, so why are healers special in that this gets to be used as a defense for their current design?

i slowly believe that the content is more responsible than the healer class.

I think we can say with certainty it is not the content. We know this because tanks, DPS, and healers all do the same content. If one of the three roles is experiencing that content in an incredibly different and negative way then the problem lies between the role and the content, not the content itself. A good example is: let's say a piece of content requires barely any healing, well, if healers had a somewhat engaging rotation to do while not healing, then they will not be as affected, but if their only gameplay is 2 1 1 1 1 [...], then the content becomes boring for the healer, but may be fine for a tank and a dps.

[Novapuppets]

They could bring cross skills back trust me I would love all my dots and stance dancing back on sch but guess what the game is not going in that direction anymore as someone mention casuals bring money to the game. I have already accepted the game is dead and once I get my ex mounts and savage gear I am out until next big patch.

[BattleBunnyQuinn]

My brother in Christ, they have cleared ultimates without healers. If that's possible, even if it's like just 8 friends doing that for fun, the idea that it's possible in the hardest content nullifies Yoshi-P's comment telling healers to play ultimates just because they wan't to feel engaging. People have done ultimates, mate, and it's still boring at hardest difficulty.

So imagine how boring it is as casual content: braindead and sleep inducing.

People clear ultimates with nothing but tanks. That doesn't mean the DPS role is obsolete. It just means there are people better than you trying to enjoy the game in their own way. You are the dude in the middle of the bell curve meme.

And yes, "Do harder content" is perfectly valid when the post that started this thread, that I replied to, is a "scholar main" who hasn't done anything harder than normal raids complaining that oGCDs are too much healing