Please reconsider 7.0 BLM changes

[HikariKurosawa]

Two feelings are being conflated in many posts: what feels good to play and what is required to play.
For the almost entirety of the game, non-standard is not mandatory. Standard is fine and can hit 98%ish of the damage a "perfect" non-standard BLM has (non-standard pushed to that degree has an element of risk, too, since mistakes can be quite punishing).
Then there's TOP p1 and p6. Can you clear those two with standard? Yep. It just feels awful. Like, genuinely frustratingly bad. And your damage output is way lower in those two phases. When I say "have fun doing TOP p6 in DT" I don't mean it's mathematically impossible, I mean it'll feel horrid and your damage will be much lower than EW.
Fight design is extremely unkind to BLM as of late (many two minutes have bursts of movement in them- case in point, there's a Ley Lines in TOP where you get literally 3/4 gcds under it and then run around because of Wave Cannon). DT changes just make the standard rotation slightly clunkier too. So, if another fight like TOP rolls around, you're just gonna feel awful. The versatility you had to tackle that type of mechanical movement is gone. So now you just get to feel bad. Can you clear? With enough effort and attempts, anything is possible. I'll just hate myself through the journey

It's a skill issue. The irony of people who claim non-standard is so hard is that they dread playing black mage the way it is intended to be played and for what makes it truly hard: turret style caster that has mastery of fight mechanic timing and knows exactly where to position at all times.

Maybe you'll just play pictomancer because it's more to your speed?

[Galvuu]

It's a skill issue. The irony of people who claim non-standard is so hard is that they dread playing black mage the way it is intended to be played and for what makes it truly hard: turret style caster that has mastery of fight mechanic timing and knows exactly where to position at all times.

Maybe you'll just play pictomancer because it's more to your speed?

I'm going to regret addressing you- especially when you're just blatantly insulting me again, and what I'm about to say cannot possibly sound anything other than conceited (and I apologize to everyone else for it in advance), but I want to make this clear for the sake and context of my other posts.
I have a lot- and I mean a lot- of experience in what would be called "standard Black Mage" by modern sensibilities. I played Black Mage for a lot of Heavensward (alongside Scholar) and a lot of Black Mage during Stormblood (alongside Bard).
I cleared UCoB in Stormblood using exclusively Black Mage, and I was one of the first few to do it (in fact, when I cleared UCoB on BLM, there were less than 50 recorded kills in the funny spreadsheet website), and my reclear got a very shiny number too.
So I know what "standard" BLM plays like on difficult content where you need to move around, and how to make it work there. I don't think I'm the best BLM in the world or anything like that, but I do think, by virtue of my unhealthy FFXIV playtime and enjoyment of high-end content and optimization, that I speak with some degree of knowledge and experience about the job and the endgame of XIV throughout its different eras in general.

If you're going to blatantly attack me to try and diminish my points, at least do your homework and check the aforementioned funny spreadsheet site, including the historical data dating all the way back to Heavensward.
Either way, if you have any substantive input, consider writing that instead of gratuitously insulting me in a public forum. Have a nice day.

[HikariKurosawa]

I'm going to regret addressing you- especially when you're just blatantly insulting me again, and what I'm about to say cannot possibly sound anything other than conceited (and I apologize to everyone else for it in advance), but I want to make this clear for the sake and context of my other posts.
I have a lot- and I mean a lot- of experience in what would be called "standard Black Mage" by modern sensibilities. I played Black Mage for a lot of Heavensward (alongside Scholar) and a lot of Black Mage during Stormblood (alongside Bard).
I cleared UCoB in Stormblood using exclusively Black Mage, and I was one of the first few to do it (in fact, when I cleared UCoB on BLM, there were less than 50 recorded kills in the funny spreadsheet website), and my reclear got a very shiny number too.
So I know what "standard" BLM plays like on difficult content where you need to move around, and how to make it work there. I don't think I'm the best BLM in the world or anything like that, but I do think, by virtue of my unhealthy FFXIV playtime and enjoyment of high-end content and optimization, that I speak with some degree of knowledge and experience about the job and the endgame of XIV throughout its different eras in general.

If you're going to blatantly attack me to try and diminish my points, at least do your homework and check the aforementioned funny spreadsheet site, including the historical data dating all the way back to Heavensward.
Either way, if you have any substantive input, consider writing that instead of gratuitously insulting me in a public forum. Have a nice day.

Imagine taking it so personally when someone says "skill issue" after you explicitly state that you have a skill issue. The frailty of the ego is laughable.

"So, if another fight like TOP rolls around, you're just gonna feel awful. The versatility you had to tackle that type of mechanical movement is gone. So now you just get to feel bad. Can you clear? With enough effort and attempts, anything is possible. I'll just hate myself through the journey "

This is literally a skill issue.

I'm not attacking you, I'm not insulting you, I'm just saying, get good.

[MitsukiKimura]

Imagine taking it so personally when someone says "skill issue" after you explicitly state that you have a skill issue. The frailty of the ego is laughable.

"So, if another fight like TOP rolls around, you're just gonna feel awful. The versatility you had to tackle that type of mechanical movement is gone. So now you just get to feel bad. Can you clear? With enough effort and attempts, anything is possible. I'll just hate myself through the journey "

This is literally a skill issue.

I'm not attacking you, I'm not insulting you, I'm just saying, get good.

Out of all the people I've seen write on these forums you are the first person I can say without a doubt that needs to apply their own *Get Good* advice to your own self. Work on your rotation, use your cooldowns and don't preach like you know whats best for the class.

[HikariKurosawa]

Out of all the people I've seen write on these forums you are the first person I can say without a doubt that needs to apply their own *Get Good* advice to your own self. Work on your rotation, use your cooldowns and don't preach like you know whats best for the class.

Irrelevant. Everything I said in that post was true. Why would I be good at black mage or even anything in this game? Why does that matter in this context? Focus on the subject at hand and not random duty finder parses.

[Doublejho]

Irrelevant. Everything I said in that post was true. Why would I be good at black mage or even anything in this game? Why does that matter in this context? Focus on the subject at hand and not random duty finder parses.

if you're not able to play it then don't offer critique on its playstyle lol, it's that simple - granted, you're doing this to wind people up, in which case just don't say anything ever

[MitsukiKimura]

Irrelevant. Everything I said in that post was true. Why would I be good at black mage or even anything in this game? Why does that matter in this context? Focus on the subject at hand and not random duty finder parses.

You're not good at the job and you have way less experience with it than the general people here that have good reason to give feedback. You never cleared any savage content with it and your "Parses" are in normal raids. Would like to continue or are you done?

[Keichi]

You're not good at the job and you have way less experience with it than the general people here that have good reason to give feedback. You never cleared any savage content with it and your "Parses" are in normal raids. Would like to continue or are you done?

And where is the problem with only clearing normal raids?
Everyone who plays a class for a longer time has the right to give there opinion.
Even the ones, who are new to a class or had problems with a earlier Version (had some problems with the paladin before his rework in EW -the flow wasnt so nice for me with the meele phase and the casting phase-, but after the new adjustments had i no noticable problems, and with that, do i liked the newer version more).

Are you saying, that my opinion would be even worthless, only, because i never did savage or ultimate raids? With any class. Only, extrem Zodiak and Hydaelin (as Blm and some meele). Even, when i played Blm for years now (i only think about switching to drg, because Blm becomes a little boring over time, when you know the content allready)?

You dont need to play hard or very hard or more, to notice, what gameplay mechanic you like or not. Even normal raids or old content can be chaotic enough for that (i look at you, Dun Scaith).

In the end have whe to wait for the final adjustments (heared, that there are sometimes differences between Media Tour and final product). And its even a taste matter. And what kind of rotation you like (i had stated multiple times, that this non Standard stuff isnt logical for me, because they refuse half of the kit, while in contrast, do i not care about every little Detail or second of Action, as long as the flow is right).

[lifd]

The irony of people who claim non-standard is so hard is that they dread playing black mage the way it is intended to be played and for what makes it truly hard: turret style caster that has mastery of fight mechanic timing and knows exactly where to position at all times.

It's quite ironic reading this when in another post (Positionals vs Damage over Time) you flat out say you don't use positionals because I quote : I play video games to have fun, I don't find positionals fun or rewarding in any way. Why would I do something I don't find enjoyable for a miniscule gain of 1.9% potency? I will do me, and you can do you. Some people are less submissive than others.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...50#post6482250

Which is literally you, telling everyone that you don't play your class as intended by the devs. I guess the devs need to force people to use positionals by making skills that have a positional property be unusable when you're not positioned ? since it's not the intended usage. I usual never interact on the forum (only lurk & read) but with this amount of bad faith I had to call you out on it. It is quite the entertaining reading throughout the week either way.

Regarding the actual changes : No matter if people like or dislike the changes & new additions, they just seem clucky and half backed (at least from the media tour). From the whole umbral soul situation, manafront being pretty much guarantee to drift, the whole lvl 100 optimal AoE rotation completely skipping HF II & HB II (based on Eksu Plosion theory crafting) and being completely unintuitive, to the fire phase being tighter than ever (and probably more that i missed). If their goal was to make the class more accessible they completely missed the mark and caught the vets in the process.

As a side note : Regarding all the people mentioning non-standard shouldn't be thing since it was not "intended" by the dev, it's just emergent gameplay. It's just the byproduct of having skills that you can use in different order & different situation, i'd even argue that blm is quite the embodiment of this concept. The whole class wouldn't function without that concept, because if you would always follow the same rotation a.k.a use your Triplecast/Xenoglosys/Sharpcast at the same place in your rotation not matter what fight, the class wouldn't be considered viable for endgame content & for low end content, it would be just a pain, where you'd have entire phases where you would be doing nothing or scathe spam. So it's quite funny seing people talking about "intended way of playing the class" when the class revolves around pre-planning & adaptation (a.k.a emergent gameplay).

[HikariKurosawa]

It's quite ironic reading this when in another post (Positionals vs Damage over Time) you flat out say you don't use positionals because I quote : I play video games to have fun, I don't find positionals fun or rewarding in any way. Why would I do something I don't find enjoyable for a miniscule gain of 1.9% potency? I will do me, and you can do you. Some people are less submissive than others.

???? Hitting positionals doesn't change how the job is played. It adds a minute amount of potency for busywork that is often impossible because of how the bosses are positioned.

They could never force positionals because they would have to dumb down encounter design by an insane amount in order to make that realistic. I can play the job as intended and ignore positionals entirely.

Who is actually trolling here? Positionals hold the game back, but also, why are you even talking about that in a black mage thread? It's the weirdest whataboutism I've read in a while.