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    Player
    Myon88's Avatar
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    Myon Miya
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    Tonberry
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    Viper Lv 100
    I also can't believe people who don't play the job (and barely play the game!) are happy to celebrate as if they are gaining anything from such a unique and interesting class being gutted.
    Haha this is how things work around here. Its happened at various times to the healers and tanks, for me it was when they gutted the phys ranged in one sweep for Stormblood, and then of course the infamous summoner rework in Endwalker.

    In fact I distinctly remember some of you from back then. What goes around comes around eh? My condolences and welcome to the club.
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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Phoenix
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by itu_ View Post
    I actually can't believe they murdered BLM like this. I also can't believe people who don't play the job (and barely play the game!) are happy to celebrate as if they are gaining anything from such a unique and interesting class being gutted. A vibrant community had formed around black mage exploration and optimization, and we were excited and ready with all sorts of ideas and tools to approach the new version of the job. Now there's nothing. Nothing at all, everyone is leaving.

    Anyone who does not understand what the flexibility and interesting parts of the job were that are now completely gone, this is a good place to start reading about it: https://www.thebalanceffxiv.com/jobs...dvanced-guide/

    It is very clear by looking at the people in both sides of the argument, which side has the players that love and play the game. And it is sad.
    Have you ever heard the saying? "Misery loves company"

    people who are unhappy like to share their trouble with others
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    Mesarthim's Avatar
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    Rozemyne Shyahoro
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Well I poured one out for those that actually play BLM. I did some roulettes. But my smooth brain can only seem to play it as well as a RDM/SMN in terms of output (or 105-110% if I dont have to think about mechanics). I have failed (for someone who only plays it like once every 4-6 months for the lulz that isn't too bad I guess).
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    HikariKurosawa's Avatar
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    Hikaru Kurosawa
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    Ultros
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    Dragoon Lv 95
    Quote Originally Posted by itu_ View Post
    It is very clear by looking at the people in both sides of the argument, which side has the players that love and play the game. And it is sad.
    What's sad is you find the most uninteresting part of the job to be interesting and then try to gatekeep who actually loves the game. "No real black mage is against nonstandard" no real Scotsman type stuff.

    Black mage has always and will always be about using a ton of fire spells in a row and then having a short ice phase to recover mp. It is not meant to be complicated. I feel bad for you because you spent so much time learning what is literally an insanely contrived and complex way of engaging with the job, and now it means nothing. It's a lot of wasted time but at least you got to enjoy it while it lasted? It should have been clear that it wasn't going to last since you read the nonstandard guide.

    The craziest part is you are so entitled that you think everyone should accept being suboptimal just because they don't find it interesting to devote the same amount of motivation and commitment as it would take to learn something extremely meaningful to learn something like non-standard. It's a game, not a career, not an artform, it's a video game.

    This whole "nobody has to learn non-standard to clear content, you can parse 99% with standard in certain fights" is such a bad argument. All it does is illustrate how few people play nonstandard proficiently too. A minority of minorities. Black mage players are already a small fraction of the community, then maybe 1% of black mage players actually played the way you view as the "only interesting part of the job". Of course the parses will reflect that, doesn't mean that anyone who cares about optimization is unaware. They look at that guide and say something like "this job is too complicated for me. I would never be able to play it right." And when you think about it, non-standard play is the only "correct" way of playing black mage through the lens of optimization. Maybe I am a bad player currently, but it doesn't change the fact that I strive to be optimal because that's what I enjoy. Even positionals on dragoon, I say I don't like them and wouldn't use them ever, but now that I am getting better at the fight I am engaging with I have started using them. Do I like positionals? No. Would I celebrate their removal? Yes. Are they on every single melee dps job? Yes.

    Learn to adapt, it's a good life skill and now you're being forced to learn it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    Have you ever heard the saying? "Misery loves company"

    people who are unhappy like to share their trouble with others
    Who are you talking about here? The people who are miserable about change?
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    Last edited by HikariKurosawa; 06-17-2024 at 03:18 PM.

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    Etoile Fallenangel
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    I have a learning disability so learning and executing static rotations well in harder fights is difficult for me. playing anything outside of healers felt weird & awkward. but then I started playing black mage and everything suddenly made sense. things clicked from the start and I loved how fluid everything was. having a simple but flexible tool kit that changed depending on the encounter not only made things easier for me but brought depth that made things so fun. I loved getting a feel for the way the job worked on my own such as timers and mp regen ticks and what worked where, and it was easy for me to casually freestyle it effectively. I went from being made fun of by friends for doing so little damage on something like DRG or RDM to them being amazed at how good I was at this job they thought was so hard. and I was so confused because it felt like the easiest dps job in the game to me.

    the changes making the job play more like a static rotation scare me. I don't know how much impact they will have but they feel like a step in the wrong direction and eat away at the unique job playstyle. I know im probably not like most players but I hope my experiences show that its not always good to have jobs work similarly.
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    Galveira Vorfeed
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    Ragnarok
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by etoilecat View Post
    snip.
    Try Picto. It's more fluid and does more damage before factoring in its raid buff... and it has a lot of cool raid buffs, including very good shields with HoTs on them.
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    Reinhardt_Azureheim's Avatar
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Alpha
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    Try Picto. It's more fluid and does more damage before factoring in its raid buff... and it has a lot of cool raid buffs, including very good shields with HoTs on them.
    1.) Final potencies have yet to be seen
    2.) Even based on current potencies, is this taking into account BLM's +80% on Astral Fire III (Fire spells) and +30% from Enochian trait (all damage including Fire)? Because there is a lot of "hidden" potency there.
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    Mike Aettir
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    Cerberus
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    1.) Final potencies have yet to be seen
    2.) Even based on current potencies, is this taking into account BLM's +80% on Astral Fire III (Fire spells) and +30% from Enochian trait (all damage including Fire)? Because there is a lot of "hidden" potency there.
    https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/pictomancer/
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    1.) Final potencies have yet to be seen
    2.) Even based on current potencies, is this taking into account BLM's +80% on Astral Fire III (Fire spells) and +30% from Enochian trait (all damage including Fire)? Because there is a lot of "hidden" potency there.
    The finalized patch notes are out and people already had access to the final potencies for a while via certain methods.

    The Balance discord knows how to math properly and factor in all those things.
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