#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aravell]

Dude.

Look, nobody is forcing you to come in here and call everyone clowns and terminally-online MMORPG addicts or whatever else. That's what you have chosen to do. Going into places you don't have to be in and calling people names because you disagree with what they're doing is generally regarded as being rude and very likely troll behaviour.

Why are you so concerned over this anyway? If you hate the idea of it so much, why even bother engaging with us here? Why not just leave us be and go enjoy your life if you're so certain that this would end in failure?

[glamazon]

I'm thinking i might have to sit this out as well. Which is a shame. But I think if by 8.0 they wake up and fix this broken role then I will have two expansions dawntrail and the new one to explore and do it with a fixed healer. Tarisland is right around the corner so that will occupy my time for a year or two until next xpax.

[ForteNightshade]

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Couple things. According to all the census data available to us, albeit unofficially, NA outnumbers JP quite handedly by slightly over 150,000. Once you factor in EU, which is predominantly English speaking, you'll quickly find that no, Japanese players, are not the majority. They haven't been for years now. In fact, the console and AAA gaming industry as a whole, including JRPG titles, typically do significantly better in North American than Japan due to the latter's higher interest in mobile gaming.

Furthermore, you, anecdotally, showing this thread off to a couple discord friends and all having a giggle isn't any different than people laughing on TalesofDF. You're welcome to find this whole thing absurd just as other, paying customers, are welcome to criticise a design approach they dislike. And before you cry foul about "organizing a strike!" How people voice their criticism isn't for you to decide so long as they follow the rules. To be blunt though, we've all tried to have discussions. There are threads on this very forums several hundred pages long--one in particular even got brought up in a Q&A... where it was poorly translated and healers were told to "just do Ultimate." Bit ironic how the sustain has gotten so out of hand, players were able to beat said Ultimate (TOP, specifically) without healers.

With all that said, I suggest you take your own advice and kindly "know your place" by allowing others to voice their criticism.

[Turtledeluxe]

I have my clown costume locally reserved. Picking it up tomorrow under the reservation #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE. The employee who reserved it said they're a bored healer too and they'd be joining.

That is just a wild post and, despite protests to the contrary, I can only assume it to be trolling.

[Telkira]

Why are you so concerned over this anyway? If you hate the idea of it so much, why even bother engaging with us here? Why not just leave us be and go enjoy your life if you're so certain that this would end in failure?

I just think it's stupid, and you all should too. It represents a sheer lack of critical thinking that's equally crass in its self-righteousness and its entitlement.

Part of what gets me is that nobody in this thread actually sat down and came up with a plan of action, or some universally agreed-upon copypaste strategy to actually make this work like a grass-roots thing.
Part of what makes a strike effective is getting people who would be affected by the strike to be on your side. Did anyone think about this? Does anyone actually understand the socio-political dynamics of the very thing they're trying to do??

Nobody even mentioned demographics, how to best quantify and reach out to them. Or time zones, or region and language breakdowns of any kind.

The whole thing is so impractical. Laughably so.

And the part that bothers me the most is that MMOs are the types of things where grassroots movements like this are possible, it's in their very nature as community-driven games.
But the way you all went about handling this isn't going to achieve anything, aside from maybe annoy casual and hardcore players just looking to get stuff done, and maybe even get a few people banned who were naive enough to buy into this.

You're all better off starting a petition, or waiting for Japanese hardcore players to notice and see how they feel about it.

[Gemina]

Didn't you guys know? My discord is LAUGHING, SCOFFING, CRYING at the very idea of a strike!!! Stop it at once!! Maybe you don't know this since you're not terminally online like us, but strikes on JP games don't work!!!

Like, think about it from the context of WoW. That game hasn't EVER experienced a downtrend based on player discontent!

It's no surprise then that during Shadowlands Hight said the game experienced "historically high churn" when it came to players canceling their subscription. From the launch of Shadowlands to its lowest point ahead of the release of Dragonflight, it's estimated WoW lost over 3 million subscribers.

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I assure you. If SE ever encounters a similar turnout on their flagship MMORPG, you are correct, it's not going to be because of a strike. It will be of their own making. Perhaps someday you'll understand we are trying to prevent this, not cause it.

[ty_taurus]

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I'm curious what your modus operandi is. What end result are you hoping to benefit from being inflammatory to people talking about something you don't care about? I'm just confused about what you are getting out of this exchange right now.

[Telkira]

Couple things. According to all the census data available to us, albeit unofficially, NA outnumbers JP quite handedly by slightly over 150,000. Once you factor in EU, which is predominantly English speaking, you'll quickly find that no, Japanese players, are not the majority.

This is just wrong. If you look at the datacenters, you'll find that there are more congested servers in JP, in addition to more servers overall than in the NA datacenter. That conveys more need, more necessity.
Also, that website you cited is from 2023, and is not official. It's interesting, but in no way, shape, or form conclusive enough for you to sit there and think you can discredit my point about the game being primarily for a Japanese majority audience, because it is.

In fact, the console and AAA gaming industry as a whole, including JRPG titles, typically do significantly better in North American than Japan due to the latter's higher interest in mobile gaming.

This is just not true at all. Mobile gaming is definitely more popular in Japan, but that isn't to say that console or traditional video game platforms (consoles, PC) are struggling there.

Also, to argue that JRPGs do better in foreign markets than they do in their home one is just conjecture on your part. That's like arguing Fallout New Vegas is more popular than SMT or Persona in Japan, or vice versa. There are exceptions, like FFXVI which did very poorly in Japan but better in the West, but that isn't saying much given that it sold poorly overall due to being an exclusive to the PS5 when more people are still playing on their PS4s or have PCs.

[Telkira]

I assure you. If SE ever encounters a similar turnout on their flagship MMORPG, you are correct, it's not going to be because of a strike. It will be of their own making. Perhaps someday you'll understand we are trying to prevent this, not cause it.

Well then, come up with a plan of action that is actually conducive to that goal, rather than just pasting into your discord profiles and search info boxes some vague and nonsensical call to action that doesn't even resonate with your own demographic, that being other healers.

Maybe look at the social and political psychology of unions and why some work, while others fail. But also keep in mind that this is still a Japanese MMORPG.
Appeal to not just your own group of players, but others too. Make a compelling, thoughtful, well-resourced and grounded argument and start an actual grassroots movement that is equal parts inviting and compelling, and not purely disruptive, because that's what players will see first and foremost.

[Local_Custard]

I just think it's stupid, and you all should too. It represents a sheer lack of critical thinking that's equally crass in its self-righteousness and its entitlement.

Part of what gets me is that nobody in this thread actually sat down and came up with a plan of action, or some universally agreed-upon copypaste strategy to actually make this work like a grass-roots thing.
Part of what makes a strike effective is getting people who would be affected by the strike to be on your side. Did anyone think about this? Does anyone actually understand the socio-political dynamics of the very thing they're trying to do??

If I were honest, I think this strike is pretty successful and the fact you are responding tells me it is in your mind which is the whole point. The fact this strike lives rent free in your brain tells me you at least thought of it.
I want to genuinely know your motivation behind trying to shut down the strike- why do you think it is stupid?
Healers have been getting the short end of the stick for a long time now. I don't think it is too out of the ordinary for them to feel unheard and jaded by their role's and respective jobs' neglect. Wouldn't you also feel upset if tanks suddenly had twice the number of mits and only 3 dps buttons (1 AOE, 1 DoT, and attack)? Or if Summoner's summons were reduced to only 2 summons and you were forced to use them over and over and over again. Because that is what healers have right now.
I see a lot of disdain from naysayers. I am confused why you come here. The one thing I ask of you is to fully spell out your motivations and why you think healers shouldn't start a strike despite their treatment. Do you think the current state of the role is truly acceptable? How do you see healers as a role?
We simply want to feel useful and matter. We want our contributions to mean something.

I know this is a game but people care deeply. When people care they will put in effort to try making things better or at least show support for making things better.
Look at other online games that are long gone and yet still have a thriving community. They did all of that because they care about the game. People here are doing the best they can to finally get heard.

Nobody even mentioned demographics, how to best quantify and reach out to them. Or time zones, or region and language breakdowns of any kind.

The whole thing is so impractical. Laughably so.

That's because timezones don't mean that much when people move around the world all the time and especially because this is an online game from around the world so the demograohics are bound to be diverse. Do you know what kinds of players main healers? What do you know about the demographics of healers?

And the part that bothers me the most is that MMOs are the types of things where grassroots movements like this are possible, it's in their very nature as community-driven games.
But the way you all went about handling this isn't going to achieve anything, aside from maybe annoy casual and hardcore players just looking to get stuff done, and maybe even get a few people banned who were naive enough to buy into this.

You're all better off starting a petition, or waiting for Japanese hardcore players to notice and see how they feel about it.

What would have been a better way to go about this, pray tell? Just sit there and continue to stew in the forums like before? That didn't get us anywhere.
Petitions rarely work from what I've seen. And for it to be properly communicated to the JP players we first need to have something typed up in Japanese. I cannot say if there are plans for this or not, however. I can guarantee you that this strike is already spreading and its scope is increasing.
I'm going to assume because you typed 2 paragraphs you care about this more than you'd like to let on.