#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Telkira]

Why are you so concerned over this anyway? If you hate the idea of it so much, why even bother engaging with us here? Why not just leave us be and go enjoy your life if you're so certain that this would end in failure?

I just think it's stupid, and you all should too. It represents a sheer lack of critical thinking that's equally crass in its self-righteousness and its entitlement.

Part of what gets me is that nobody in this thread actually sat down and came up with a plan of action, or some universally agreed-upon copypaste strategy to actually make this work like a grass-roots thing.
Part of what makes a strike effective is getting people who would be affected by the strike to be on your side. Did anyone think about this? Does anyone actually understand the socio-political dynamics of the very thing they're trying to do??

Nobody even mentioned demographics, how to best quantify and reach out to them. Or time zones, or region and language breakdowns of any kind.

The whole thing is so impractical. Laughably so.

And the part that bothers me the most is that MMOs are the types of things where grassroots movements like this are possible, it's in their very nature as community-driven games.
But the way you all went about handling this isn't going to achieve anything, aside from maybe annoy casual and hardcore players just looking to get stuff done, and maybe even get a few people banned who were naive enough to buy into this.

You're all better off starting a petition, or waiting for Japanese hardcore players to notice and see how they feel about it.

[ty_taurus]

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I'm curious what your modus operandi is. What end result are you hoping to benefit from being inflammatory to people talking about something you don't care about? I'm just confused about what you are getting out of this exchange right now.

[Local_Custard]

I just think it's stupid, and you all should too. It represents a sheer lack of critical thinking that's equally crass in its self-righteousness and its entitlement.

Part of what gets me is that nobody in this thread actually sat down and came up with a plan of action, or some universally agreed-upon copypaste strategy to actually make this work like a grass-roots thing.
Part of what makes a strike effective is getting people who would be affected by the strike to be on your side. Did anyone think about this? Does anyone actually understand the socio-political dynamics of the very thing they're trying to do??

If I were honest, I think this strike is pretty successful and the fact you are responding tells me it is in your mind which is the whole point. The fact this strike lives rent free in your brain tells me you at least thought of it.
I want to genuinely know your motivation behind trying to shut down the strike- why do you think it is stupid?
Healers have been getting the short end of the stick for a long time now. I don't think it is too out of the ordinary for them to feel unheard and jaded by their role's and respective jobs' neglect. Wouldn't you also feel upset if tanks suddenly had twice the number of mits and only 3 dps buttons (1 AOE, 1 DoT, and attack)? Or if Summoner's summons were reduced to only 2 summons and you were forced to use them over and over and over again. Because that is what healers have right now.
I see a lot of disdain from naysayers. I am confused why you come here. The one thing I ask of you is to fully spell out your motivations and why you think healers shouldn't start a strike despite their treatment. Do you think the current state of the role is truly acceptable? How do you see healers as a role?
We simply want to feel useful and matter. We want our contributions to mean something.

I know this is a game but people care deeply. When people care they will put in effort to try making things better or at least show support for making things better.
Look at other online games that are long gone and yet still have a thriving community. They did all of that because they care about the game. People here are doing the best they can to finally get heard.

Nobody even mentioned demographics, how to best quantify and reach out to them. Or time zones, or region and language breakdowns of any kind.

The whole thing is so impractical. Laughably so.

That's because timezones don't mean that much when people move around the world all the time and especially because this is an online game from around the world so the demograohics are bound to be diverse. Do you know what kinds of players main healers? What do you know about the demographics of healers?

And the part that bothers me the most is that MMOs are the types of things where grassroots movements like this are possible, it's in their very nature as community-driven games.
But the way you all went about handling this isn't going to achieve anything, aside from maybe annoy casual and hardcore players just looking to get stuff done, and maybe even get a few people banned who were naive enough to buy into this.

You're all better off starting a petition, or waiting for Japanese hardcore players to notice and see how they feel about it.

What would have been a better way to go about this, pray tell? Just sit there and continue to stew in the forums like before? That didn't get us anywhere.
Petitions rarely work from what I've seen. And for it to be properly communicated to the JP players we first need to have something typed up in Japanese. I cannot say if there are plans for this or not, however. I can guarantee you that this strike is already spreading and its scope is increasing.
I'm going to assume because you typed 2 paragraphs you care about this more than you'd like to let on.

[Telkira]

If I were honest, I think this strike is pretty successful and the fact you are responding tells me it is in your mind which is the whole point. The fact this strike lives rent free in your brain tells me you at least thought of it.
I want to genuinely know your motivation behind trying to shut down the strike- why do you think it is stupid?

And getting people like me to slither out from the rocks we live under like snakes to point and laugh at you all for doing this isn't really 'success', in fact I think a compelling argument can be made for it being the exact opposite of that.

As for healers getting the short end of the stick, I play healer from time to time too. I'm certainly not good at it, still with a lot to learn, but I do well enough to help my friends on console pop queues fast and do other things for myself. I know how hard it can be, and I've seen what healers go thru. You're basically like one of those dog walkers with like 6-12 dogs on multiple leashes at once, only instead of dogs they're ADHD children of multiple different builds trying to play in traffic.

But that doesn't change the fact that those grievances you have won't be solved by being purely disruptive. The Manifesto isn't even clear enough on what the goals are, and honestly the fact that there's no actual organizing, combined with the outrageous nature of the concept itself drastically overshadows any validity it could theoretically have.

I'm sorry, but this is literally a waste of time. I just hope nobody got GM banned for dipping out of a duty because they fell for this.

[ty_taurus]

I'm sorry, but this is literally a waste of time. I just hope nobody got GM banned for dipping out of a duty because they fell for this.

So then why are you wasting your time on it? I'll ask again (because you didn't answer), what are you trying to get out of this? How do you physically benefit from being really nasty and abrasive about this? What are you walking away from this conversation having obtained?

[Telkira]

So then why are you wasting your time on it? I'll ask again (because you didn't answer), what are you trying to get out of this? How do you physically benefit from being really nasty and abrasive about this? What are you walking away from this conversation having obtained?

Because this whole thing, as a concept, was so hilarious and ridiculous that I just had to make my voice heard. I was originally going to try and be polite and point out the sheer impracticality behind it all, but then I saw other people trying to do the exact same but going nowhere, combined with this wretched and awful sense of self-righteousness spiced with ignorance and a general lack of focus, compounded by there not being any plan.

Like I said before, it's almost hyperbolic.

You're still really angry no one agreed with your tirade about localization I guess?

What's funny is that the Haurchefant issue was admitted as a mistake by the devs, who straight-up admitted fault apologized following actual backlash from upset fans who felt like the game was censored and did not remain consistent across versions.

You will not see a developer acknowledgement of whatever this 'strike' seeks to do.

At most, you'll see the mechanics get adjusted, if anything, but no acknowledgement. I trust the gameplay designers and balance guys know more about what's appropriate for this game than a literal handful of redditors and forum users, especially those who think a strike is a good idea.

That hashtag is literal clown makeup that will soon be wiped off.

[xbahax92]

I was originally going to try and be polite and point
Like I said before, it's almost hyperbolic.

Im not gonna involve with you anymore, since you seem to take this thread aggressively serious.
Since your very first post, no you were not polite and you did not try. Stop lying.

Also, holy damn hell. I didnt know a feedback forum is a place to organize actions and MMO crimes.

[ty_taurus]

Because this whole thing, as a concept, was so hilarious and ridiculous that I just had to make my voice heard. I was originally going to try and be polite and point out the sheer impracticality behind it all, but then I saw other people trying to do the exact same but going nowhere, combined with this wretched and awful sense of self-righteousness spiced with ignorance and a general lack of focus, compounded by there not being any plan.

Like I said before, it's almost hyperbolic.

Doesn't explain what you get out of it. I wanted to know how you tangibly benefit. If I, for example, get the wrong order at a drive through, and I go in to complain that I got a wrong order, I expect to walk out with a corrected order. That is what I tangibly get out of addressing the issue of getting a wrong order.

What do you get out of being rude and spiteful to people about something you don't care about and are not invested in?

[OgruMogru]

And getting people like me to slither out from the rocks we live under like snakes to point and laugh at you all for doing this isn't really 'success', in fact I think a compelling argument can be made for it being the exact opposite of that.

As for healers getting the short end of the stick, I play healer from time to time too. I'm certainly not good at it, still with a lot to learn, but I do well enough to help my friends on console pop queues fast and do other things for myself. I know how hard it can be, and I've seen what healers go thru. You're basically like one of those dog walkers with like 6-12 dogs on multiple leashes at once, only instead of dogs they're ADHD children of multiple different builds trying to play in traffic.

But that doesn't change the fact that those grievances you have won't be solved by being purely disruptive. The Manifesto isn't even clear enough on what the goals are, and honestly the fact that there's no actual organizing, combined with the outrageous nature of the concept itself drastically overshadows any validity it could theoretically have.

I'm sorry, but this is literally a waste of time. I just hope nobody got GM banned for dipping out of a duty because they fell for this.

You're still really angry no one agreed with your tirade about localization I guess? No one is advocating actions such as duty dipping or disrupting ongoing queues, simply refusing to take part at all. No one's spitefully hunched over their DF salivating at being able to cancel a queue pop 3 times a day.

[Local_Custard]

And getting people like me to slither out from the rocks we live under like snakes to point and laugh at you all for doing this isn't really 'success', in fact I think a compelling argument can be made for it being the exact opposite of that.

As for healers getting the short end of the stick, I play healer from time to time too. I'm certainly not good at it, still with a lot to learn, but I do well enough to help my friends on console pop queues fast and do other things for myself. I know how hard it can be, and I've seen what healers go thru. You're basically like one of those dog walkers with like 6-12 dogs on multiple leashes at once, only instead of dogs they're ADHD children of multiple different builds trying to play in traffic.

But that doesn't change the fact that those grievances you have won't be solved by being purely disruptive. The Manifesto isn't even clear enough on what the goals are, and honestly the fact that there's no actual organizing, combined with the outrageous nature of the concept itself drastically overshadows any validity it could theoretically have.

I'm sorry, but this is literally a waste of time. I just hope nobody got GM banned for dipping out of a duty because they fell for this.

So if I am getting this correctly, the strike is a failure because: you and your friends are laughing at the strike and it is disorganized? And that being disruptive alone won't do much?
I don't think those three conditions mean a fail state imo. A fail state is if the strike only had a couple of likes and was quickly buried. The fact a lot of people are coming out and joining in means something at least.

I'll ask again: do you have a better concise plan for this strike to work? What would this plan look like (even if just general details)? I am getting a sense you may or may not know how strikes work so please do give us some information on that.

So you do see healer as a role has problems. You seem to care enough to comment multiple times and respond with more than a sentence. Tell me, would you like to see healing being more fulfilling in this game? Do you want healers to matter in content? I get that healing can have stress with it- you have to manage hp and contend with players who might die multiple times or be oblivious to one or multiple mechanics. But that is what you signed up for with this role. Healers are very support oriented and keep other players and yourself alive. There should obviously be more to it than "I exist to correct mistakes!"- it could be "I contribute to utility and also help keep the boss in check. I can do more than just heal".