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  1. #541
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    Sacae's Avatar
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    Holo Wisewolf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    What’s the point of even having EN forums if our only real recourse is to try to auto translate our way through the JP forums for a hope of being heard
    When the two sides of the forum disagree, the devs can't satisfy everyone, they'll go with the side they are familiar with. If they did what these forums are screaming for, they would alienate the Japanese players.

    Y'all need to come to some kind of understanding with the JP side, otherwise this is, as I said, performative nonsense. The devs *are* listening to feedback. It's just that the feedback they're listening to isn't yours. Therefore, you should endeavor to persuade the people who are giving opposing feedback. Otherwise, I hope you enjoy being ignored.
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  2. #542
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    When the two sides of the forum disagree, the devs can't satisfy everyone, they'll go with the side they are familiar with. If they did what these forums are screaming for, they would alienate the Japanese players.

    Y'all need to come to some kind of understanding with the JP side, otherwise this is, as I said, performative nonsense. The devs *are* listening to feedback. It's just that the feedback they're listening to isn't yours. Therefore, you should endeavor to persuade the people who are giving opposing feedback. Otherwise, I hope you enjoy being ignored.
    In that case the frilly dress SCH got should be disintegrated.
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  3. #543
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    When I've seen western players ask Japanese players about this on the forums, they tend to get responses indicating that Japanese players prefer the current situation because it generates less stress. They don't seem to want complex kits, and would rather focus on doing mechanics while healing when needed.

    There's a pretty big cultural divide between the fanbases, and the development team are always gonna side with their home audience. Those are the people y'all need to convince.
    It is interesting dilemma.

    I am reminded of old school MMOs like Lineage II which had pure support jobs like Shillien Oracle. Developers created these with expectation that there would be actual people willing to play these heal-bot jobs...

    Do you know how Western players "mained" them?

    With dual-boxing on auto-follow on a real job.
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  4. #544
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    When the two sides of the forum disagree, the devs can't satisfy everyone, they'll go with the side they are familiar with. If they did what these forums are screaming for, they would alienate the Japanese players.

    Y'all need to come to some kind of understanding with the JP side, otherwise this is, as I said, performative nonsense. The devs *are* listening to feedback. It's just that the feedback they're listening to isn't yours. Therefore, you should endeavor to persuade the people who are giving opposing feedback. Otherwise, I hope you enjoy being ignored.
    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5941510
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  5. #545
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    That's a cute comment. Your japanese is poor, please have someone who can write in proper japanese. Otherwise go post in your native language forums.
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    Sometimes rumors are just... rumors.

  6. #546
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    Stellan Djt-dolja
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    I dont know how realistic or impactful this strike is going to be if a majority of it are still going to actively pay for and play the game.

    This really just feels like a "cake and eat it too" scenario with people who have some good points and have a complaint, but still will actively engage in the medium that continues down the path based upon what is profitable. Good luck on it regardless.
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    Last edited by Y2K21; 06-10-2024 at 10:59 PM.

  7. #547
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flay_wind View Post
    That's a cute comment. Your japanese is poor, please have someone who can write in proper japanese. Otherwise go post in your native language forums.
    And thats why this won't work, they won't be able to get the Japanese on board because they're not as overly interested in change like all these healers are.
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  8. #548
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    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5875538

    I can do this too.
    "Lastly, your post actually encourage Japanese players to think this topic, which is seldom discussed in JP community. Thank you very much for your raising a suggestive question with translation!"

    What's the harm in trying? Unless, again, this whole strike thing is just performance nonsense.
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  9. #549
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5875538

    I can do this too.
    "Lastly, your post actually encourage Japanese players to think this topic, which is seldom discussed in JP community. Thank you very much for your raising a suggestive question with translation!"

    What's the harm in trying? Unless, again, this whole strike thing is just performance nonsense.
    Even if you think this is performative nonsense, why are you here? Why do you care enough to respond to these replies if, to you, this is all just a waste of time?
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    I gave AST a shot, and it's still miserable to play, even to think about. Worst iteration by far. Praying for 8.0, I guess...

  10. #550
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    Y'all need to come to some kind of understanding with the JP side, otherwise this is, as I said, performative nonsense. The devs *are* listening to feedback. It's just that the feedback they're listening to isn't yours. Therefore, you should endeavor to persuade the people who are giving opposing feedback. Otherwise, I hope you enjoy being ignored.
    Why is enjoying the game as a tank or a dps job performative nonsense? We're just trying to play the game, not learn a whole new language to argue with the Japanese or give more feedback that will be ignored. I thought everyone agreed, "if you don't like it play something else". That's the point.
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