#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Supersnow845]

^as usual jojoya you immediately jump to the assumption that just because I don’t want to be left pressing 1111111111 because the WAR can heal themselves that it means I want to tailor dungeons to high end content level

How many times does this strawman need to be dealt with

This is an example of improper scaling of the healing job’s skill ceiling. The skill floor is functionally at “AFK” for the healers or being super generous “at least know how to press medica 2 after a raidwide” but that’s the problem; in casual content that’s functionally the skill ceiling as well

Let’s take HW SCH without cleric stance in the modern 14. If you are still at the very bottom of the floor you can sit there and spam adlo while the tank “assists” in healing you. If you know what you are doing there is functionally infinite potential you can draw out of HW SCH.

Why can’t the modern healer jobs be designed like this. The problem the the modern healer jobs is they are only designed for a very very narrow segment of the total population, it’s not the brand new people, it’s not the raiders, it’s the “thunder god cid is the hardest encounter i have done” (note this isn’t an insult at all)

I don’t; nor have I ever wanted to make healing not accessible, I just don’t want healing’s ceiling to basically be its floors which amounts to press 1-3 oGCD’s while the tank does more healing than I do while I spam 11111111111

[Zadood]

Valid and reasonable point

The thing is that the most of the high end boss fight are not salvageable by healer at all. Like you claim, the existance of healer is to make sure the less skilled player to be able to clear content.

But that kind of healer's priviledge is straight out denied in high end content due to current amount of body check in current boss fight.

I m sure you would be feel proud as a healer if you manage to recover and clear an otherwise soon to be failed ultimate boss pull with your genius healer play. But you don\\'t really get that kind of moment as healer in most of the high end content are you?

Like, remember that Asmongold\\'s MINE Ifrit Ex run? Where one healer manage to salvage the entire boss fight and turn the table in a soon to be wipe enrage?

How often can you get those bad-ass healer moment in most of current high end boss fight?

[Miracle_Diva]

Just a curiosity question. Considering it is unlikely they will change healers on release on DT right away, and from what I've heard they base a lot of their decisions on their own data, could refusing to play any healers for a time being bring their attention to the problem faster?

[Rehayem]

Just a curiosity question. Considering it is unlikely they will change healers on release on DT right away, and from what I've heard they base a lot of their decisions on their own data, could refusing to play any healers for a time being bring their attention to the problem faster?

Isn't this how they deduced about MCH? Or MNK? I'm certain they have a way to have some sort of metric to keep track on most played > least played type of thing.

[Somnolence]

Just a curiosity question. Considering it is unlikely they will change healers on release on DT right away, and from what I've heard they base a lot of their decisions on their own data, could refusing to play any healers for a time being bring their attention to the problem faster?

Depends how they interpret the metrics. AST was changed and it was least player healer by a huge margin so I guess SE felt they had to do something.

Yet SMN is most played magic dps. Does this mean all magic dps should follow its formula?

[Zadood]

Just a curiosity question. Considering it is unlikely they will change healers on release on DT right away, and from what I've heard they base a lot of their decisions on their own data, could refusing to play any healers for a time being bring their attention to the problem faster?

Well, you see...

If the CBU3's data(I pretty much read it somewhere on the FFXIV sub, but I forgot which post) has some credibility, it stated that DRK is one of the most played job, but not the job most people main it.

People may not main healer, but they will still try it out of aesthetic reason... so... I wouldn't be too sure about that.

[Gullis]

Yoshi will see this and assume the strike is because healing is too hard, and buff tanks more

[Pip_Chick]

I adding my name and all my alts (who are healers)!

I will finish the MSQ on SCH, cause that is my main job, which I love. But after that, I will officially join the strike. No group content as healer.
PvP is the only one I will still join as SCH because the design of the job is way better taken care of and more enjoyable than anything PvE!

What will make me drop the strike?
1. Give healers their DPS buttons back or focus on a different way to help the party (just look at the PvP kit for inspiration). For SCH I want my DoTs and the ability to spread them to surrounding enemies, we have more healing tools than we will ever need, and letting us have the DoT management back will help a lot with downtime when there is no one to heal.
2. As SCH give back the Faerie differences. You can make them as stances, ex Eos buffs healing, Selene buffs damage and Seraph buffs both.
3. Give me more reasons to engage with my kit by making the boss do more ongoing damage.
4. Nerf the tanks self-healing and the DPS self-sustain. It is absolutely ridiculous how many pieces of content, at all levels of difficulty, can be done without healers in the party because the tank and DPS have self-healing and shields.
5. Not everyone is a hardcore raider, some of us engage with more casual content. I would like to be able to enjoy the MSQ single battle instances, but it is a slog when playing healers. I would like to do the "Kill X amount of monsters" quests, without it being a slog! A better DPS kit will help with that!

[Merrigan]

On the rare occasions I get matched with a party good enough not to need a healer, I admit it can be pretty boring.

But isn't that a problem in itself?

The balance between casual, midcore and harcore players has always been a tricky one to strike, and you're right to point that out. A lot of people tend to forget that after X number of years in the game, certain things can't continue to be ‘difficult’. But if a role has no use apart from making up for the shortcomings of others, then the design itself is poorly thought out. Just imagine a buff class whose role is limited to triggering one or two powers that can only be activated if the other dps forget their buffs. That would be a stupid design. And the healer... Well, it almost fits that design.

[Jokerz_93]

How often can you get those bad-ass healer moment in most of current high end boss fight?

IMHO, that should be the base.
As I see healers, they are the Jack of all trades in your deck.
In fact, their LB 3 is the Jack of all trades, unlucky, tho -as usual- SE can achieve only half of the good stuff they can think.

But it’s not on me to judge their work.

Anyways, I’m a main Tank (DRK not worry I’ll still needs some heals…I think) and I like playing healers most of my the time when I q in public alone.
Although I started playing at ShB so I don’t know any of the stuff Healers were used to before it, I can understand what kind of feelings you guys feel.
I have the same running 24-men raids.

I support your strike, but if you ask me I’d made it last until SE released an official apology, I’m a bit drastic on these kind of stuffs because I think drastic times require drastic measures to achieve drastic changes.

Hope that at least for one time something can reach SE’s deaf ears.

Peace!