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  1. #4371
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    Oizen's Avatar
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    playing other games like yoshida intended
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    Character
    Alondite Ragnell
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Personally I'd like it a lot if Dark Mind and Dark Missionary weren't dead in so much content
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  2. #4372
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    Absurdity's Avatar
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    Character
    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Personally I'd like it a lot if Dark Mind and Dark Missionary weren't dead in so much content
    Which is partially due to how stale and formulaic the "core content" design is. You could have more magic damage and a higher frequency of it in all content to make both of them actually useful, but every trash pack in every dungeon is just 6 dudes auto attacking you and maybe once in a full moon casting a magic AoE that you just dodge out of.
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  3. #4373
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    Lyth's Avatar
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    Lythia Norvaine
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    Conditional mitigation has no gameplay value unless it is connected to a player decision (i.e. giving the player the chance to swap from physical only to magic only based off of an animation tell on a tank buster). In its current form it just ends up being a limitation that arbitrarily puts DRK at a mitigation disadvantage at the whims of the fight designers.

    I'm curious about whether the move to a 15 second Reprisal/Feint/Addle represents a shift in raid design that could benefit Dark Missionary/Heart of Light's longer durations, but I'm not holding my breath without direct nerfs to both Shake it Off and Divine Veil. I think they might have their ducks in a row by the time that the 8.x reworks roll around and the next tank job is ready to be released, but my gut feeling is that it's probably safer to give DRK a hard pass for Dawntrail.

    Tank design is far too unbalanced in favor of WAR right now, and I haven't seen much to suggest that this is going to change anytime soon.
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  4. #4374
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    Malthir's Avatar
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    Malthir Durnith
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    Cerberus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Anyone else seen the videos from the media tour, Jesus christ have them made everything 100x worse.
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  5. #4375
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    Laerune's Avatar
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    Yu Zeneolsia
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    DRK is more of the same, atleast they did not make it worse like BLM
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  6. #4376
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    Malthir's Avatar
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    Malthir Durnith
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Laerune View Post
    DRK is more of the same, atleast they did not make it worse like BLM
    They've removed plunge and replaced it with nothing, so our core rotations now missing about 15% of its DPS.
    For context, a burst on Drk looks like this:
    Delirium>Bloodspiller>Edge of Shadow>Plunge>Bloodspiller>Plunge> Shadowbringer> Bloodspiller>C&S>Shadowbringer, back to 1,2,3 weaponskill
    So now we lose 2 plunges, meaning we need to fill it with edge of shadows, but they cost 3k MP each which means you can't use 3 of them and then have any kind of window for TBN as you need to ensure you have 3k for TBN

    Also, all the new animations are going to be locked behind being level 96, so guess what, 90% of the game you're spamming the same crap currently there but with an inferior kit to what we currently have. At this point just delete the class from the game, it would be better than what SE are doing to it.
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    Last edited by Malthir; 06-06-2024 at 08:55 PM.

  7. #4377
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    Flay_wind's Avatar
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    Character
    Lily D'kryl
    World
    Shiva
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by Malthir View Post
    They've removed plunge and replaced it with nothing, so our core rotations now missing about 15% of its DPS.
    For context, a burst on Drk looks like this:
    Delirium>Bloodspiller>Edge of Shadow>Plunge>Bloodspiller>Plunge> Shadowbringer> Bloodspiller>C&S>Shadowbringer, back to 1,2,3 weaponskill
    So now we lose 2 plunges, meaning we need to fill it with edge of shadows, but they cost 3k MP each which means you can't use 3 of them and then have any kind of window for TBN as you need to ensure you have 3k for TBN

    Also, all the new animations are going to be locked behind being level 96, so guess what, 90% of the game you're spamming the same crap currently there but with an inferior kit to what we currently have. At this point just delete the class from the game, it would be better than what SE are doing to it.
    Living Shadow now does not cost Blood so you just replace both plunges in the opener with Living Shadow and Deesteem.
    My slight concern is that Blood Weapon is now 3 stacks only, as such how much MP total it restores.
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  8. #4378
    Player
    Malthir's Avatar
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    Malthir Durnith
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Flay_wind View Post
    Living Shadow now does not cost Blood so you just replace both plunges in the opener with Living Shadow and Deesteem.
    My slight concern is that Blood Weapon is now 3 stacks only, as such how much MP total it restores.
    Plunge acted as a filler between weaponskills as an OGCD, we already pressed LS during our core rotation, so we're now left with a big gap in rotation in between weaponskills
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  9. #4379
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    CKNovel's Avatar
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I won't miss Plunge.
    It should've been a mobility tool from the start.

    You'll still use 3~4 Edge of Shadow, C&S, Salted Earth and shadowbringers in 2 mins. It's not like your oGCD windows are now suddenly empty.
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  10. #4380
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    Kaixern's Avatar
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    Character
    Arkhon Dullgaroth
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I will miss it
    Not as a damaging ability, but the animation itself reminding me of Guts and Artorias mainly, the "feeling" of a dark knight

    But yeah i agree, as a mobility tool it would have been better.
    (and please if the devs insist on replacing it with this weird teleport/instant step thing, put in a black mist when you teleport instead of those weird floating orbs, at least do it so the ability make sense with the class fantasy)
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