Scholar's Identity Transformation

[GrimGale]

Except only cause you dislike the look of it, and it ruins your perception of what a scholar always has been.

Make the white drapes a toggle and I will immediately shut up. I don't think SCH needed another healing cooldown but I don't really mind. I hate, absolutely despise the white frilly nun dress. I don't mind the particle effects, I don't mind the fluttery spells with silly christmas angels blessing party members with a shield.

I really really hate the white dress. I've essentially glammed over healer gear ever single time because I am so tired of it. Now we get something we don't need with a look that is beyond tired at this point. Give me a break. Let me turn it off at the very LEAST.

[OliviaLugria]

Glad we can agree the lore is irrelevant. That was kinda the point.

I don\\'t know why you only list the faires as sources for green, yellow and purple. You can see the scheme in the artifact armor, bio, miasma, shadow flare, deployment tactics, art of war 1, bane, and every healing skill that isn\\'t seraph. I think clear visual distinctions between jobs is an important part of theming and identity, and they\\'re mudding that apesct of design. I would indeed be much happier if they infused eos and selene into a "more complete" or "stronger" form that matched their color scheming.

I don\\'t know know where you\\'re getting the idea of summoning multiple faires at the same time. Did I say that somewhere? It\\'s funny how you mention Summoning a bunch of faires when that\\'s exactly what happens with the new form when we should indeed be more focused on working with our partner.

What has scholar always been? You say I don\\'t know, but you don\\'t offer up the answer. I think this is a complete matter of opinion and can\\'t be answered objectivly, but you can have a go at it.

My first and foremost complaint is that the skill is ugly, but I don\\'t want to downplay that the skill can also be useless by virtue of just being a healing ability.

[the-kuponut]

TLDR: You make feeble attempts that don't pass muster to disregard the lore.
In this game filled with many lore Enthusiasts who even if they hated it, wouldn't go as far as to deny it, based only on their dislike of a visual effect.
(note, this is only you, it's fine to hate the look. it's fine for a section of JP players to hate the look. <the common thing being that people don't take note of the lore, or the fact that the silent majority isn't really adding into it.> this quite literally isn't as large like the Benchmark issues)

THANK YOU. I'm a lore enthusiast and has been since 2013 so yes, I care about the lore. I said that no one has to like it already, my response is to the people saying it clashes with SCH identity/lore. I never even expressed my opinion about the skill aesthetically, because it wasn't the point I was making, I was talking purely from a lore point of view. And providing an explanation of where the skill came from.

My responses are not for people who are providing aesthetic feedback, it's just clarification on the lore bit since some were dismissing the angelic part of SCH's aesthetics.

SCH has had Angel Feathers as the LB specifically made for it. Before each job had their own LB, there used to be generic LBs that all jobs used. Then for the healers, when they gave each job a unique LB, SCH got Angel Feathers. Seraph was designed and made with SCH in mind.

In comparison, WHM only had a holy focus in SHB, many years and expansions after. SCH is the job which first featured angelic aesthetics.

[the-kuponut]

I feel like the lore reasoning is pretty thin as well. An "Anonymous adventurer describing the healing power of a scholar’s faerie companion" doesn't sound like a qualified expert on what a scholar can and can't do. They were close to death, if a summoner casted psysic on then they'd describe them as godly as well.

This is from the lore book (Encyclopaedia Eorzea), a book written for the purpose of providing lore on the game. The ones that wrote this book are the same people who write FFXIV. Why would they dedicate a section for the LB with this quote if we are not supposed to take it as canon? Why would they mislead us?

I'm not going to reply further after this, it's clear that my responses were taken as liking the aesthetics or taking sides in this when I just wanted to clarify the lore. You're free to say you don't like the transformation, you wish it was something else or whatever. But you can't say it doesn't fit within the lore and identity. It does.

Have a nice day. Hope SE can provide a toggle for you guys.

[GrimGale]

In comparison, WHM only had a holy focus in SHB, many years and expansions after. SCH is the job which first featured angelic aesthetics.

????

Holy was literally the level 50 Job quest spell, the culmination of WHM magic from the tradition of Amdapoor (The city that created White Magic and white mages. In game it is dungeon filled with light aligned creatures that look like angels, by the way, like the ones we fight in ShB). It has been a staple of the WHM job since the very first Final Fantasy. The healer level 3 LB, Pulse of Life, has the WHM kneel and PRAY in front of a staff ( Aerith's staff, presumeably FF7 reference ), while angelic feathers burst forth under golden light.

Let's stop pretending the whole, holy light/cleric/priest aesthetic wasn't a part of WHM's concept.

[the-kuponut]

????

Holy was literally the level 50 Job quest spell, the culmination of WHM magic from the tradition of Amdapoor (The city that created White Magic and white mages. In game it is dungeon filled with light aligned creatures that look like angels, by the way, like the ones we fight in ShB). It has been a staple of the WHM job since the very first Final Fantasy. The healer level 3 LB, Pulse of Life, has the WHM kneel and PRAY in front of a staff ( Aerith's staff, presumeably FF7 reference ), while angelic feathers burst forth under golden light.

Let's stop pretending the whole, holy light/cleric/priest aesthetic wasn't a part of WHM's concept.

I know I said I will stop but I saw this while scrolling so might as well.

"Prior to patch 3.0, healer limit breaks were also used by physical ranged DPS disciplines, and Pulse of Life was used by all healer and physical ranged DPS disciplines as their level 3 limit break. Prior to patch 6.0, the healing radius was 30 yalms."

Is Bard an angelic job? It was its LB3 too. After they gave all jobs a unique LB, PLD got the generic tank one, BLM got the generic caster one, MNK got the generic melee one, and WHM was given Aerith's (generic healer, and bard). LB1 and LB2 still use hers as generics for all healers.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...l_Fantasy_XIV))

And Amdapori mages are as much of our WHM as Void Mages of Mhach are our BLMs. Their "angels" which look like sin eaters are basically stone constructs powered by their magic. Unlike Seraph which is an actual angelic entity. And their power you're talking about is what caused the elementals to flood the world. Our WHM in comparison, uses the nature's aether to summon various elements, one of which is light, hence, holy being one of the many elements.

When you go to the first, there's a lot of light ambient aether, so WHM's spells which used stone, water, and wind, became light because it is what is naturally existing in there.

[Fawkes]

SCH has had Angel Feathers as the LB specifically made for it. Before each job had their own LB, there used to be generic LBs that all jobs used. Then for the healers, when they gave each job a unique LB, SCH got Angel Feathers. Seraph was designed and made with SCH in mind.

In comparison, WHM only had a holy focus in SHB, many years and expansions after. SCH is the job which first featured angelic aesthetics.

It's a reference to older games.



Seraph was a summon and used the ability Angel Feathers. SCH is the summoning healer, so it makes sense in that context.

It seems like a logical leap to say SCH was designed to be angelic, it was designed as the healer half of the summoning job.

[ZmireTia]

????

Holy was literally the level 50 Job quest spell, the culmination of WHM magic from the tradition of Amdapoor (The city that created White Magic and white mages. In game it is dungeon filled with light aligned creatures that look like angels, by the way, like the ones we fight in ShB). It has been a staple of the WHM job since the very first Final Fantasy. The healer level 3 LB, Pulse of Life, has the WHM kneel and PRAY in front of a staff ( Aerith's staff, presumeably FF7 reference ), while angelic feathers burst forth under golden light.

Let's stop pretending the whole, holy light/cleric/priest aesthetic wasn't a part of WHM's concept.

Holy is just a blast of energy, that doesn't make it the angelic job. Scholars were able to cast the lb "angel feathers" for YEARS. They should be the angelic job and white mage can still be the priest/cleric. If scholars can summon an angel, why is it so bizarre that they can use its power like summoners dreadwyrm trance or reapers voidsent? And scholars dont even have holy/light magic in the job actions trailer so I dont know what you're talking about?

[the-kuponut]

It's a reference to older games.



Seraph was a summon and used the ability Angel Feathers. SCH is the summoning healer, so it makes sense in that context.

It seems like a logical leap to say SCH was designed to be angelic, it was designed as the healer half of the summoning job.

I literally said that in a previous reply, but was told that it's wrong to call SCH a healer SMN /shrug.

SCH is just healer summoner, Seraph is their Ultimate summon, similar to how Bahamut is with SMN.
Its LB has always been Angel Feathers, while WHM got the generic LB (Aerith's) that used to belong to all healers.

Seraph is an actual healing FF summon from VI and not just from FFXIV, imo it makes sense that their "trance" would be their Ultimate summon, like how SMN grows Bahamut wings on LB.

I know, and I never said that SCH is purely an angelic job, show me where I said that. I just that it had always had angelic connections (and the first to do so) and that's where this new ability came from.

[GrimGale]

Is Bard an angelic job?

If Lb3 design matters for SCH then it does for WHM.

Their "angels" which look like sin eaters are basically stone constructs powered by their magic. Unlike Seraph which is an actual angelic entity.

Is Seraph an actual angelic entity? Is she a creature sent from a higher plane to act as a messenger for the gods? We know Lily, the "faerie" is an aetherical construct aswell. Or at least it was back in 2.0 if I remember my SCH job quest correctly. Are we just debating wether Sin eaters (or overtly light polarized creatures) look angelic? What are we even talking about anymore, what angels look like?

If seraph is an angel, then sin eaters are angels, that being a vaguely """"humanoid"""" (Some sin eaters get really abstract) with bird wings on their back wreathed in holy light. Clearly the same "light" that empowers holy spells also turns people into angels.

When you go to the first, there's a lot of light ambient aether, so WHM's spells which used stone, water, and wind, became light because it is what is naturally existing in there.

Coincidentally, you also get Seraph as summonable creature when you get to the first.

I just that it had always had angelic connections (and the first to do so) and that's where this new ability came from.

WHM also has "angelic connections." Arguably stronger ones than SCH.