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    J-Reyno's Avatar
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    Rayner Blackwolfe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Square can’t even design the healers with this philosophy in mind I have no idea why you expect they will get the tanks right

    Going down that path is only going to lead to basically what the healers already are, a pathetic DPS “rotation” while you drown in a wealth of GCD and oGCD defensives that you barely use because they are terrified of upping damage in this game
    I don't expect them to get tanks right. I'm explaining what they would need to do to get tanks right
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Reyno View Post
    I don't expect them to get tanks right.
    Its so wild support mains have got to the point of mourning the role being gimped so hard that we are at the acceptance stage.
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Its so wild support mains have got to the point of mourning the role being gimped so hard that we are at the acceptance stage.
    At the end of the day this is still a Eastern MMO, and the general rule of thumb is expect content regurgitation and not much else. I've never once felt like my feedback was ever considered for this game, and its not even an issue they've ever directly addressed.

    Honestly going into an expansion with 2 new DPS jobs again is about as tonedeaf as you can get, they do not view any of this as an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    At the end of the day this is still a Eastern MMO, and the general rule of thumb is expect content regurgitation and not much else. I've never once felt like my feedback was ever considered for this game, and its not even an issue they've ever directly addressed.

    Honestly going into an expansion with 2 new DPS jobs again is about as tonedeaf as you can get, they do not view any of this as an issue.
    Is it tonedeaf though? I genuinely don't even want new supports.
    I mean, their entire design philosophy for the support role is kinda depressing.
    When they released Sage i got super excited, because it was advertised as a healer for dps players. But it's just Scholar with instant casts and no weaves at the cost of Chain strategem.
    IF they release a new tank, i already know i'll be super disappointed when it inevitably turns out to be a weaker version of Warrior with more buttons to press.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    Is it tonedeaf though? I genuinely don't even want new supports.
    I mean, their entire design philosophy for the support role is kinda depressing.
    When they released Sage i got super excited, because it was advertised as a healer for dps players. But it's just Scholar with instant casts and no weaves at the cost of Chain strategem.
    IF they release a new tank, i already know i'll be super disappointed when it inevitably turns out to be a weaker version of Warrior with more buttons to press.
    It’s bad because SB showed us how much of a mess two DPS expansions are and this was a time when the support roles weren’t on life support

    SGE is unequivocally the worst job they have ever added in terms of “what did this actually add to the role it was being added to” but at least it was a bandaid for the collapsing healer population

    Two flashy new DPS, no Bozja and tanks and healers sick of being treated like second class citizens, sounds like a recipe for long long DF queues which the DPS will also blame on the supports for not playing them so they can enjoy their DPS…….which will further exasperate the problem

    I can see DT class balance blowing up in their face for this
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Two flashy new DPS, no Bozja and tanks and healers sick of being treated like second class citizens, sounds like a recipe for long long DF queues which the DPS will also blame on the supports for not playing them so they can enjoy their DPS…….which will further exasperate the problem

    I can see DT class balance blowing up in their face for this
    Looking forward to it.

    I'm no longer at the "acceptance" stage of healer, tank and arguably now even some dps gameplay being god awful...

    I'm at the "Let the galaxy burn" stage.
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Two flashy new DPS, no Bozja and tanks and healers sick of being treated like second class citizens
    There is nothing significantly wrong with tanks. This forum is mostly just "muh Heavensward DRK" posts and complaints about this role are basically non-existent elsewhere.
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    Rawker Stone
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    There is nothing significantly wrong with tanks. This forum is mostly just "muh Heavensward DRK" posts and complaints about this role are basically non-existent elsewhere.
    Funny how this forum needs an active game account before you can even access and post on... and yet a very loud echo chamber elsewhere, populated with users having an ego that of thin glass is what they will listen to?

    Legit question though.. do free trial users get to access this forum?
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    Last edited by rawker; 05-18-2024 at 01:42 AM.

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    Lily D'kryl
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Its so wild support mains have got to the point of mourning the role being gimped so hard that we are at the acceptance stage.
    You know, what's even more wild? That we somehow got to the point that Tanks and Healers are called "supports" in the first place. DPS and supports.
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    Sometimes rumors are just... rumors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flay_wind View Post
    You know, what's even more wild? That we somehow got to the point that Tanks and Healers are called "supports" in the first place. DPS and supports.
    As long as I’ve been playing MMO’s “support” has always been a name for tanks healers and CC if the game has them
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