7.0 Tank Wishlist

**JuicyHeals** · 03-20-2024 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Lyth

The main issues facing tanks are as follows:

Self-positioning/self-orientating bosses that return to center and lock themselves in place before every mechanic
Bosses that don't have damage patterns that sufficiently challenge or place your available defensive resources under stress (i.e. invuln-swap)
Bosses that generally don't require a second tank outside of being an understudy for when the first one dies
Erosion of intrinsic tank value (if your tank dies then it's a wipe/if your tank dies then the adds eat your healers)
Widening gap between raid contributions of true DPS and supports
Unsatisfying gear progression (Tenacity vs. DH)
General perception of support gameplay as being lower skill compared to true DPS counterparts
Large balance discrepancies persisting across multiple expansions that consistently favor certain jobs over others
Large balance discrepancies in critical role features (invuln recasts - Holmgang, raidwide mitigation - SiO, self-sustain)
Slow design implementation of solutions/inertia
Lack of innovation outside of simplified hand-me-downs from true DPS
Several expansions behind other roles in terms of movement tools

While I don't think that you can lay the blame for this on any specific person, a lot of these issues are self-perpetuated by the community. That's where a lot of the inertia to change comes from. We get too focused on what is currently comfortable or advantageous, and that comes at the cost of improving design or even having fun.

It's worth asking yourself why you would want to currently play a tank over melee. I think the only real drawback to this historically was the fact that tanks had a lot of the really fun job aesthetics (swords). I think if they ever introduce a Mystic Knight/Ivalician-styled Unyielding Blade job into melee, there'd never be a reason to play tank again.

I would strongly recommend swapping out to melee if any of this resonates with you. If the supply of tanks drops sufficiently, then you'll see big changes and the inertia will be overcome. If not, you can enjoy everything that you currently love about tanking while having more appreciation for your skills and more value for effort. And the queue times are still fairly minimal, which makes me suspect that it's going to be the latter rather than the former in the long run.

Honestly If they made a DPS with the holy theme I would no longer care about Paladin.

**GoatOfWar** · 03-21-2024 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by JuicyHeals

Honestly If they made a DPS with the holy theme I would no longer care about Paladin.

Is there anything in particular you dislike about Paladin?

**JuicyHeals** · 03-21-2024 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

Is there anything in particular you dislike about Paladin?

Not particularly, I suppose i should add I just feel more engaged with DPS, as compared to tanking. I guess all the roles are in this era of feeling very samey as of now, but compared to past expansions tanking as a whole in my opinion just feels kind of bland.

I'm kind of hoping Dawntrail steers away from this current design.

**GoatOfWar** · 03-21-2024 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by JuicyHeals

Not particularly, I suppose i should add I just feel more engaged with DPS, as compared to tanking. I guess all the roles are in this era of feeling very samey as of now, but compared to past expansions tanking as a whole in my opinion just feels kind of bland.

I'm kind of hoping Dawntrail steers away from this current design.

I hope they'll better define strengths and weaknesses across the role in the next expansion, but i have very little to no hopes of this actually happening with how hard they went on homogenisation and powercreep this expansion.
The way things are now, i have zero interest in playing tank going forward.

**rawker** · 03-21-2024 03:26 PM

Comparing PLD now from before, I'm pretty much satisfied with it. Only gripe i have with it is Requiescat is melee.

**dwodmots** · 03-21-2024 07:11 PM

For PLD I'd like
1)Take Shelltron/Cover/Intervention off the meter, give them a 25s shared CD with two charges
It's super annoying if you die during prog, get raised in time for the next tank buster but now your CDs don't work. Other tanks just lose some DPS but for PLD it's joever.

2)Remove the MP cost from Clemency and make it cost 30 meter instead
The meter has to do something, right?

3)Let Holy Shelltron heal per blocked attack instead of over time
This gives PLD parity with WAR when it comes to trash pulls.

4) Reduce Hallowed Ground CD to 240s
It's just so much worse than any other tank jobs invuln right now.

**Supersnow845** · 03-21-2024 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by dwodmots

For PLD I'd like
1)Take Shelltron/Cover/Intervention off the meter, give them a 25s shared CD with two charges
It's super annoying if you die during prog, get raised in time for the next tank buster but now your CDs don't work. Other tanks just lose some DPS but for PLD it's joever.

2)Remove the MP cost from Clemency and make it cost 30 meter instead
The meter has to do something, right?

3)Let Holy Shelltron heal per blocked attack instead of over time
This gives PLD parity with WAR when it comes to trash pulls.

4) Reduce Hallowed Ground CD to 240s
It's just so much worse than any other tank jobs invuln right now.

I feel like a broken record on here but again why does any other tank need to get bloodwhetting

Bloodwhetting, divine veil, free clemency, intervention and the natural heal on the magical combo, at that point you are straight up a better healer than the healer, that is a completely ridiculous amount of healing

**dwodmots** · 03-21-2024 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I feel like a broken record on here but again why does any other tank need to get bloodwhetting

Bloodwhetting, divine veil, free clemency, intervention and the natural heal on the magical combo, at that point you are straight up a better healer than the healer, that is a completely ridiculous amount of healing

Because going 3dps1tank is fun, duh.

**Supersnow845** · 03-21-2024 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by dwodmots

Because going 3dps1tank is fun, duh.

Well at least you are honest

**Absurdity** · 03-21-2024 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by dwodmots

3)Let Holy Shelltron heal per blocked attack instead of over time
This gives PLD parity with WAR when it comes to trash pulls.

That's a great idea, good luck getting any healing out of Shelltron after that change though.

Originally Posted by dwodmots

4) Reduce Hallowed Ground CD to 240s
It's just so much worse than any other tank jobs invuln right now.

Ah yes, the one true invuln with no drawbacks on a 4-minute cooldown, perfectly balanced...lmao.

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