Thread: 7.0 Tank Wishlist

How is auto-attacking, which every job does it, became janky as a resource generator? No matter how hard I try to wrap my head around it, it just doesn't make it as such.

Originally Posted by rawker

How is auto-attacking, which every job does it, became janky as a resource generator? No matter how hard I try to wrap my head around it, it just doesn't make it as such.

A defence CD based on Auto attacks, just isn't "unique" as people like to point it out to be, all it really does is cause PLD's defensive value to be slightly worse with downtime or when you cannot auto attack something.

I don't think having a Auto-attack 2 stack for essentially One defence CD (Cover is a meme, Intervention is just targeted holy sheltron) Is in particular worth it, instead of a Gauge that actually feels meaningful.

I meant it was more so Janky and tacked on as a "gauge" because PLD would practically play the same if you put Sheltron on two stacks and had No gauge, at least most jobs have a reason to have a gauge or more resources tied to that gauge, To me the gauge only really Hinders ways PLD could possibly be reworked or changed for the better.

Originally Posted by Rithy255

A defence CD based on Auto attacks, just isn't "unique" as people like to point it out to be, all it really does is cause PLD's defensive value to be slightly worse with downtime or when you cannot auto attack something.

I don't think having a Auto-attack 2 stack for essentially One defence CD (Cover is a meme, Intervention is just targeted holy sheltron) Is in particular worth it, instead of a Gauge that actually feels meaningful.

I meant it was more so Janky and tacked on as a "gauge" because PLD would practically play the same if you put Sheltron on two stacks and had No gauge, at least most jobs have a reason to have a gauge or more resources tied to that gauge, To me the gauge only really Hinders ways PLD could possibly be reworked or changed for the better.

“Most jobs have a reason to have a gauge”

I mean not really, BLM is about the only job that absolutely needs a gauge, almost every other class it’s a fancy representation of like one skills CD, PLD’s gauge is no better or worse than something like SAM or SMN, is actively better than jobs with redundant gauges like SCH and DRK and is about equal with classes who’s gauges just represent the ability to stack a utility CD like WHM or SGE

PLD’s gauge isn’t great but let’s not pretend like any gauge in this game besides BLM is really much more than visual clutter

Originally Posted by Rithy255

A defence CD based on Auto attacks, just isn't "unique" as people like to point it out to be, all it really does is cause PLD's defensive value to be slightly worse with downtime or when you cannot auto attack something.

I don't think having a Auto-attack 2 stack for essentially One defence CD (Cover is a meme, Intervention is just targeted holy sheltron) Is in particular worth it, instead of a Gauge that actually feels meaningful.

I meant it was more so Janky and tacked on as a "gauge" because PLD would practically play the same if you put Sheltron on two stacks and had No gauge, at least most jobs have a reason to have a gauge or more resources tied to that gauge, To me the gauge only really Hinders ways PLD could possibly be reworked or changed for the better.

A trade is a trade. You can't have everything and must have at least something to work around. This is PLD's. I could have understood if this is a situation where the PLD has to spend an enourmous amount of time hardcasting Holy Spirit at long range but such situation is very sparse and avoidable to be a concern.

The purpose of the gauge is to strategize. What you raised is valid regarding HS better off being the same as the other 25-second mit of the other tanks but you lose out of the "if I use this now, I'd be locked out to use the other" kind of situation for another 23-25 seconds and just proceed to spam it on cooldown if without gauge.

The auto attack gaining gauge is just another layer of requirement to keep in mind, which again, should never be an issue as you should always be doing it. What do you think SMN and SCH have an advantage over the rest of the casters? It's their auto attacks. I mean, if sync'ed to level 50 content, you'd better be at melee range as SCH spamming Art of War even at single targets.

This is probably the first time I’ve heard someone describe SCH’s gauge as the actual aetherflow count

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

This is probably the first time I’ve heard someone describe SCH’s gauge as the actual aetherflow count

It's literally called the Atherflow Gauge, It's pretty similar to Sages Gauge or even Gunbreakers. Simple counters and stuff are counted as a "Gauge" to me. I don't see how iyou wouldn't see it as a Job Gauge honestly.

The first thing I thought of when you mentioned Scholar's Gauge was Atherflow because the Fairegauge feels unimportant to gameplay, I do think that the second gauge could and Should be reworked

Some potentially whacky WAR change that could add a layer of strategy. Increase the duration of Thrill of Battle by quite a bit, BUT it now shares a cooldown with Shake it Off. And then rework Nascent Flash so it only grants a Bloodwhetting like effect to a targeted party member, and not the WAR. And then Holgmang can be used on party members, prevents them from dying, but it acts like Rescue. I think WAR having to juggle between playing selfishly, and playing supportively is a direction that could be explored.

Didn't Holmgang used to be 6s duration? When did they extend it up to 10s? lmao. Also remembered bolide to be 8s long.

Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Didn't Holmgang used to be 6s duration? When did they extend it up to 10s? lmao. Also remembered bolide to be 8s long.

Yes all tank invulns were standardised to 10 seconds in EW, it used to be old living dead’s one big strength and holmgang’s one big weakness as you couldn’t fully invuln say…..E10’s monotonous tankbuster