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    I mean, you should do PvP because you like PvP, not because you get something from it.



    Imagine if they made Raid drops go away after the tier ended. or after the first 100 clears. People would go nuts. Why did PvP get that?



    Also, its funny that theres only like, 2 die hard PvPers who come on here and say no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    I mean, you should do PvP because you like PvP, not because you get something from it.

    Imagine if they made Raid drops go away after the tier ended. or after the first 100 clears. People would go nuts. Why did PvP get that?

    Also, its funny that theres only like, 2 die hard PvPers who come on here and say no.
    I hear this comment every now and then. By your logic, why should roulettes have had the further and further increased tomestone and EXP rewards? Why are we complaining about Criterion having no rewards? Why are we arguing that we don't want to do other Alliance Raids but ARR because their rewards are not worth the time investment?

    Are we really going to be this hypocritical and call exceptions for PvP and say "you should do PvP because you like pvp, not because of rewards"? You know, you should just do roulettes and raids for the fun, it should just have a colourless non-glamour gear and no mounts tied to it - in the most reward-driven community that is FFXIV.

    The other argument "imagine if they made raid drops go away", another fallacy I have explained ad nauseam in other threads if people actually cared to look them up. Raids are not a competition, they are a static challenge with no variables other than the Dev team buffing/nerfing jobs a bit. There is literally no purpose in introducing a pvp-esque dynamic to a non-PvP mode. Ranked PvP has always been a competition, by definition if you intend to have a performance-based reward and a Top X per region, you need to close the gate after a certain point to define who won and who lost.

    Also I truly hope you don't call me one of those PvPers because I have not been expressively "no", I have been "yes but can we get a good deal for both sides out of this".
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    Last edited by Reinhardt_Azureheim; 04-23-2024 at 11:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    I mean, you should do PvP because you like PvP, not because you get something from it.



    Imagine if they made Raid drops go away after the tier ended. or after the first 100 clears. People would go nuts. Why did PvP get that?



    Also, its funny that theres only like, 2 die hard PvPers who come on here and say no.

    Point 1: Most Top 100 Players do PvP because they like it AND the Rewards. Even tho current Rewards are not really worth calling them that.

    Point 2: PvP is a entirely different environment than a Raid. You fight against unpredictable people, not a fixed script.

    Point 3: Not many of the old Veteran Top 100 Players are left. Many stopped playing the Game when PvP got castrated to be more easy. You could say we are a minority now. Also most of them would be in the PvP Forum. We all know this thread got opened in the Wrong Forum section cause only few Read PvP Forums anymore.



    Now to something different: I wanted the Hellhound Mount too, made it to Platinum but could not continue because i was buisy nearly dying in the Hospital. Do you see me complaining and demanding them back? No!
    I can respect Yoshi P's choice and am able to live with it. We really just need more new rewards.
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    Last edited by Araxes; 04-23-2024 at 06:51 PM.
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