Housing Plot Instanced

[Khryseis_Astra]

Replace the boring default interior architecture with art textures and backgrounds used in the open world zones. Make the exterior fixtures into optional proper house frame furnishings for those who don't want to go freestyle with their housing design. They've got the potential to make the best MMORPG housing system ever without having to start over from scratch with the ability to let players choose between wards or instances.

This. Just imagine all the possibilities of what instanced could provide!

The only other MMO with housing that I’ve played is ESO, but the sheer variety of housing options there is amazing! Want a customizable tiny inn room? Sure! Want a townhouse with multiple levels and an outdoor courtyard? Go for it! Want a rambling estate with two houses, a lake and a giant waterfall? That one might cost you a bit, but it’s doable!

And I’m sure someone will say “well go play ESO then.” But that’s not my favorite game/world. I want more options and variety brought into the world I actually love to play in. Imagine Ishgardian townhouses, or even Old Sharlayan! I mean those would probably be the easiest, as they could be built off the bones of existing FC rooms/apartments, just giving them the different sizes and layouts players have been asking for forever and putting some different backdrops on them to match their locations for the outdoor areas. Imagine being able to live anywhere in Eorzea…

Dawntrail seems to be the expansion of graphics updates. But I’m hoping in future expansions we’ll get more updates to other systems that are started to show their age and clunkiness. Housing is certainly one, glamour is another… they need to get away from all this old code that prevents them from doing things, because other games (that IMHO aren’t as good) are already doing better in those areas.

[Jojoya]

The issue is...everyone got greedy. Everyone with fcs want mediums or lqrges so lots of smalls tend to be open.

Why should a player who wants a large have to settle for a small when other players were able to get larges?

Why is the one who couldn't get what they wanted the "greedy" player while those who got what they want aren't?

Anyone who's been hanging around this subforum long enough knows how I enjoyed RIFT Dimensions. Dozens of different Dimensions to choose from, decorate them as you want. If everyone wanted Castle Fortune, everyone could get Castle Fortune. It was just a matter of participating in one of the seasonal events. If someone didn't want Castle Fortune, they could get a different Dimension.

It wasn't the location that a player got that made them standout. It was what they did with the location. You could visit the Castle Fortunes of 10 different players and have 10 different experiences. Many times, you'd have to struggle to name the Dimension you were visiting because what players did made them so very different from the default look.

That is the problem with the ward system versus an instanced system. With the ward system, the number of a certain location is limited. With an instanced system, it isn't.

Players that are able to get what they want are far happier than those who have to settle for the leftover scraps others ignored. Why is that a bad thing?

And I’m sure someone will say “well go play ESO then.”

Some don't understand that as much as we love housing, we love the game itself for many other reasons as well.

Why don't I go back to RIFT? Because the rest of the game is best summed up as mediocre (not to mention Trion got bought out by a greedy company using it as a cash grab now so most of the players have left, which makes the auction house dead and pretty much forces people to rely on the cash shop to purchase items). Outside of the housing system, there was nothing that would really grab your interest.

A know that a few are going to jump in here and say "but we like FFXIV because of the way housing is right now". I get that. I understand you don't want the wards taken away and very few are asking for that to happen. What we're asking SE to do is add to the system, not overwrite what already exists. They can co-exist. Apartments tell us that much.

[Veritas-Ancora]

This. Just imagine all the possibilities of what instanced could provide!

The only other MMO with housing that I’ve played is ESO, but the sheer variety of housing options there is amazing! Want a customizable tiny inn room? Sure! Want a townhouse with multiple levels and an outdoor courtyard? Go for it! Want a rambling estate with two houses, a lake and a giant waterfall? That one might cost you a bit, but it’s doable!

And I’m sure someone will say “well go play ESO then.” But that’s not my favorite game/world. I want more options and variety brought into the world I actually love to play in. Imagine Ishgardian townhouses, or even Old Sharlayan! I mean those would probably be the easiest, as they could be built off the bones of existing FC rooms/apartments, just giving them the different sizes and layouts players have been asking for forever and putting some different backdrops on them to match their locations for the outdoor areas. Imagine being able to live anywhere in Eorzea…

Dawntrail seems to be the expansion of graphics updates. But I’m hoping in future expansions we’ll get more updates to other systems that are started to show their age and clunkiness. Housing is certainly one, glamour is another… they need to get away from all this old code that prevents them from doing things, because other games (that IMHO aren’t as good) are already doing better in those areas.

This is great, I support this.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

Why should a player who wants a large have to settle for a small when other players were able to get larges?

Why is the one who couldn't get what they wanted the "greedy" player while those who got what they want aren't?

I would argue with this to point out there is other content that players will also not get with large levels of effort/perseverance.

While you might not be able to walk up and get a large 30 emp whenever the lotto comes up; one WILL come up and you do have the ability to bid on it. I see this how I cannot simply queue up "The Omega Protocol" and walk out with my funky glowy weapon; likely I will spend weeks hitting this and as such it might seem "unfair" that I don't have the coolest looking new glowies.

Thats how I see the general housing complaint while many often misrepresent the argument "there is no available housing."
That said I would be fine with a instanced housing solution I would limit it to 1 per world (like privates are currently limited) and basically have a exit point from each city that puts you on your lawn.
As for FC housing however I wouldn't implement Instanced housing for FC's; my reasoning?
1. Instanced housing would free up existing housing.
2. A FC can already secure a desired plot when it comes up provided they have the money and membership. If you can bid 40+ times on a lot then your in pretty good odds.
3. To prevent every single player from running a private FC farm; or multiples depending on how you interpret SE's meaning on FC ownership.

Doing that the Ward players still got their ward house; but going forward there would be no more "private only" wards. Add a few more wards for good measure.

[Jojoya]

I would argue with this to point out there is other content that players will also not get with large levels of effort/perseverance.

Yet if you clear whatever Savage fight was necessary and then join a group that then clears TOP, you will walk away with your funky glowy weapon. You're not going to be told "oh, so sorry that you've met all the requirements but your funky glowing weapon is out of stock. Please wait until one becomes available and then clear TOP again to get another chance to win it in a lottery against all the other players who also want that funky glowing weapon we're out of".

All the prevents a player from their Ultimate Weapon is their willingness/ability to go to the effort needed to earn it.

That is not true with housing, where there are artificial limits on how many players can get a specific plot because of a ward system being used. Plenty of players have gone to the effort needed to earn the house they want but they cannot get it because there are none available.

I agree that those that only say "there isn't enough housing" are misrepresenting the situation if what they really mean is "I can't get the specific size/location I want".

With respect to FC housing, I think the choices for housing should be the same regardless of whether it's for a FC or an individual player. Not every FC wants a large. Not every player wants a small. The biggest fix they could make for FC housing is to simply detach the workshop from housing and attach to another location in the game, with the GC headquarters being the most fitting location. Do that and the sub farmers have no need to purchase a house just to get more workshops. Free up those houses, and SE would have a much better idea of what true FC demand is, which in turn could allow them to make more plots available to individual buyers.

Or better yet, create a serious fully instanced housing system. Again, wards don't need to be removed. With no need for demolition when it comes to instanced housing, SE could increase the demolition timer from the current 45 days to as long as a year for those that are attached to the ward aesthetic. With the way wards constantly use up server resources, it still makes sense to have demolition but on a longer timer so they're not left with wards running that never have owners entering.

As for every player running private sub farms, I can think of only two things that make it a problem: each separate workshop requires a house, and salvaged accessories. The first should be fairly obvious as to it's a problem for the housing system. The second isn't currently the problem that some make it sound on the gil side because that gil is generally being hoarded and not placed back into general circulation. It would become a problem if every player was farming salvaged accessories though because the average player would be putting the gil back into circulation.

Removing Salvaged Accessories and setting the sell to vendor price of all other items to under 200 gil (which is the majority of them, only a few have a higher vendor value) would take care of the gil concern. Players could still run their sub farms to get the minions/orchestrion rolls/furnishings/etc. that they want, which is what most are after when they complain about workshops specifically and not the impact of workshops on housing. There would still be players not interested in the hassle of setting up the workshop who would pay to buy voyage loot but the marketboard prices for most voyage loot would drop rapidly as players obtained it for themselves.

[Solowing]

Or better yet, create a serious fully instanced housing system. Again, wards don't need to be removed. With no need for demolition when it comes to instanced housing, SE could increase the demolition timer from the current 45 days to as long as a year for those that are attached to the ward aesthetic. With the way wards constantly use up server resources, it still makes sense to have demolition but on a longer timer so they're not left with wards running that never have owners entering.

If I could get a instanced house with no demo timer, what benefit is there to ward housing if you want the exact same functionality in a instanced house?

You want a instanced house? Then you should get a 45 day timer. That way S.E would still benefit from keeping you subscribed unless you're willing to lose your gil and work invested into the instanced plot.

People want a instanced house that can be upgraded in size, can freely be visited like a ward house, have all the amenities of a FC house but isnt demolishable like a apt. Why would anyone want a plot?

[Moqi]

Some people like the social aspect of wards and some people just want to play house decorator and apartment are too smalls and don't have exteriors and gardens.

Why do you care what people do with their house or what system they like best? Why do you care how SE keeps their sub or not? Are you working on the game or an investor? Otherwise it's just weird.

[Solowing]

Some people like the social aspect of wards and some people just want to play house decorator and apartment are too smalls and don't have exteriors and gardens.

Why do you care what people do with their house or what system they like best? Why do you care how SE keeps their sub or not? Are you working on the game or an investor? Otherwise it's just weird.

Because the housing system is fine. The community wanted a fair chance at getting a house. And they got it.

Because some of you don't like a system that doesn't offer instant gratification doesn't mean its a problem.

Apts are enough, do they need a item increase? Yes But is too small to do anything with? That depends, do you have the creativity to make something out of it or are you just going to give up because it isn't mansion sized?

[Moqi]

Who do you think you are to determine what's fine and enough for other people? Just weird.

[Solowing]

Who do you think you are to determine what's fine and enough for other people? Just weird.

Because its housing. And it is available to all players. Nobody is locked out of housing. However this is just players being picky about what they want.

You want a bigger plot? Put in a bid.

Until then work with the space that you have.