Housing Plot Instanced

[Eraden]

These players are not breft of housing. It's one thing if housing isn't available at all.It's another thing to have housing, but not want it because you( not you) don't want to settle until a plot (of their choosing) becomes available.

Apt users think Apts aren't enough compared to smalls

Small plot users think smalls aren't enough compared to a medium.

Medium plot users think mediums aren't enough compared to a large

A large plot user would think a mansion isn't enough if their was another size bigger plot.

Mao agrees except for one thing. When Mao gots small house, Mao was so happys. Mao thought apartsment too small but small house has plenty space. Mao still thinks like that even today now that Mao has medium house. Mao does NOT want large house though! Is too much space for Mao.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

Mao agrees except for one thing. When Mao gots small house, Mao was so happys. Mao thought apartsment too small but small house has plenty space. Mao still thinks like that even today now that Mao has medium house. Mao does NOT want large house though! Is too much space for Mao.

*pets*

Good Mao.

Honestly I don't know why folks are not willing to get a starter home; I had a small for about 3 years before I won the bid for my medium; I have no intention of bidding on a Large for a personal because frankly decorating one is exhausting.

[Ancalagon_Blacktalon]

These players are not breft of housing. It's one thing if housing isn't available at all.It's another thing to have housing, but not want it because you( not you) don't want to settle until a plot (of their choosing) becomes available.

Apt users think Apts aren't enough compared to smalls.

Apt sizes is a problem, but yes, by the end it's a nitpick. However I would argue that they are inherently lesser than a real house because you can't use any outdoor gear with them, or grow things in gardens at all - thus they lack features houses have, and those same features are ones the game keeps reminding you of by giving you rewards for property that you can't even use. I don't think it's bragging rights or anything, I legit think that when you drill down to it, the problem that people tend to have is that they're locked out of content in the game, and it's in a way they don't have a lot of control over (which is probably why you don't see a similar level of grousing with PvP series rewards).

Re: availability, so I'm on adamantoise and can't speak to other servers but personally every time I tried to get a small there'd be other people on it in the bidding process and they would win it, so I've stopped trying because even smalls in less-desirable locations have something like ten people or more bidding on them, and with the money I have I can only try on one house at a time.

[Khryseis_Astra]

*pets*

Good Mao.

Honestly I don't know why folks are not willing to get a starter home; I had a small for about 3 years before I won the bid for my medium; I have no intention of bidding on a Large for a personal because frankly decorating one is exhausting.

I was the odd bird that had a medium and went back to a small. I just like the inside and outside layout better.

[Moqi]

I support instanced housing in whatever form. If only we already had an instanced island to plop a house on...

[Ravenblade1979]

I love how people are against this when the devs could easily make a 200 player visit limit. The wards were also for the community feel but you don't got one.

Only lively spots are venues or the occasional fc person at their fc.

Otherwise they are dead wards. Mainly held by multi house owners or players who only login to keep their virtual property.

So tell me how keeping it as it currently is is a good idea?

[Jojoya]

I love how people are against this when the devs could easily make a 200 player visit limit. The wards were also for the community feel but you don't got one.

Only lively spots are venues or the occasional fc person at their fc.

Otherwise they are dead wards. Mainly held by multi house owners or players who only login to keep their virtual property.

So tell me how keeping it as it currently is is a good idea?

It's just personal preference for some.

If there are that many players that truly enjoy the wards over a better instanced system, no reason to get rid of what has already been made.

But they need to stop adding more wards when that isn't satisfying what players want (with this I'm referring to a player's ability to get the size/location option they want) and start putting resources into an enhanced instanced system. Most of the basics are already part of the housing system or in other parts of the game.

Replace the boring default interior architecture with art textures and backgrounds used in the open world zones. Make the exterior fixtures into optional proper house frame furnishings for those who don't want to go freestyle with their housing design. They've got the potential to make the best MMORPG housing system ever without having to start over from scratch with the ability to let players choose between wards or instances.

[Ravenblade1979]

It's just personal preference for some.

If there are that many players that truly enjoy the wards over a better instanced system, no reason to get rid of what has already been made.

But they need to stop adding more wards when that isn't satisfying what players want (with this I'm referring to a player's ability to get the size/location option they want) and start putting resources into an enhanced instanced system. Most of the basics are already part of the housing system or in other parts of the game.

Replace the boring default interior architecture with art textures and backgrounds used in the open world zones. Make the exterior fixtures into optional proper house frame furnishings for those who don't want to go freestyle with their housing design. They've got the potential to make the best MMORPG housing system ever without having to start over from scratch with the ability to let players choose between wards or instances.

The issue is...everyone got greedy. Everyone with fcs want mediums or lqrges so lots of smalls tend to be open.

[Jojoya]

The issue is...everyone got greedy. Everyone with fcs want mediums or lqrges so lots of smalls tend to be open.

Why should a player who wants a large have to settle for a small when other players were able to get larges?

Why is the one who couldn't get what they wanted the "greedy" player while those who got what they want aren't?

Anyone who's been hanging around this subforum long enough knows how I enjoyed RIFT Dimensions. Dozens of different Dimensions to choose from, decorate them as you want. If everyone wanted Castle Fortune, everyone could get Castle Fortune. It was just a matter of participating in one of the seasonal events. If someone didn't want Castle Fortune, they could get a different Dimension.

It wasn't the location that a player got that made them standout. It was what they did with the location. You could visit the Castle Fortunes of 10 different players and have 10 different experiences. Many times, you'd have to struggle to name the Dimension you were visiting because what players did made them so very different from the default look.

That is the problem with the ward system versus an instanced system. With the ward system, the number of a certain location is limited. With an instanced system, it isn't.

Players that are able to get what they want are far happier than those who have to settle for the leftover scraps others ignored. Why is that a bad thing?

And I’m sure someone will say “well go play ESO then.”

Some don't understand that as much as we love housing, we love the game itself for many other reasons as well.

Why don't I go back to RIFT? Because the rest of the game is best summed up as mediocre (not to mention Trion got bought out by a greedy company using it as a cash grab now so most of the players have left, which makes the auction house dead and pretty much forces people to rely on the cash shop to purchase items). Outside of the housing system, there was nothing that would really grab your interest.

A know that a few are going to jump in here and say "but we like FFXIV because of the way housing is right now". I get that. I understand you don't want the wards taken away and very few are asking for that to happen. What we're asking SE to do is add to the system, not overwrite what already exists. They can co-exist. Apartments tell us that much.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

Why should a player who wants a large have to settle for a small when other players were able to get larges?

Why is the one who couldn't get what they wanted the "greedy" player while those who got what they want aren't?

I would argue with this to point out there is other content that players will also not get with large levels of effort/perseverance.

While you might not be able to walk up and get a large 30 emp whenever the lotto comes up; one WILL come up and you do have the ability to bid on it. I see this how I cannot simply queue up "The Omega Protocol" and walk out with my funky glowy weapon; likely I will spend weeks hitting this and as such it might seem "unfair" that I don't have the coolest looking new glowies.

Thats how I see the general housing complaint while many often misrepresent the argument "there is no available housing."
That said I would be fine with a instanced housing solution I would limit it to 1 per world (like privates are currently limited) and basically have a exit point from each city that puts you on your lawn.
As for FC housing however I wouldn't implement Instanced housing for FC's; my reasoning?
1. Instanced housing would free up existing housing.
2. A FC can already secure a desired plot when it comes up provided they have the money and membership. If you can bid 40+ times on a lot then your in pretty good odds.
3. To prevent every single player from running a private FC farm; or multiples depending on how you interpret SE's meaning on FC ownership.

Doing that the Ward players still got their ward house; but going forward there would be no more "private only" wards. Add a few more wards for good measure.