Nerf gil profit from submarine

[TwistedTea]

This made me curious so I just looked for myself. I didn't come up with 134 smalls but it was over 100 and mostly in the mixed and personal wards. The Empyreum FC wards had a fair number of smalls but there were almost no smalls in the FC wards of the other districts.

My bad. I did not separate the Unrestricted wards from the FC only or Personal only wards. Currently there are about ~107 small plots on Coeurl.

[ZiraZ]

Exactly. And removing the submarine money would only encourage sublords to swap tactics and make gil with resales of mediums and larges. That can be done every 30 days if there are no submarines being built. They probably have a hundred characters to enter the bidding game with, are people sure they want to compete with that instead of them simply continuing to make money with unwanted small houses?

Mounts, minions and other goods from voyages sell for peanuts in comparison and would make this content not worth the tens of millions of gil and months of work it takes to even get started. Unless... the drops were unique and untradable, so that finishing the voyage yourself was the only way to obtain them. Fcs could utilize the rank system to allow all their members to benefit. I could add a few rare mounts to my collection and they would be worth the investment, if gil was out of the picture.

"Let them keep ruining the game or else they will get angry and ruin it even more"
Might as well also let the limsa sewer bots out too, they cheat as much as the the "sublords" I didn't choose that name btw, I prefer to call them"suspiciously adjacent to RMT person"

[Commander_Justitia]

So, not by working and planning, but by luck, you must make some money? I was lucky and got 2 coffin lids back in the day when Void Ark was brandspanking new and those things sold 10mil a pop. 20mil extra gil sure made relatively new player happy, but I wouldn't want RNG to be my main money maker.
SE needs to set up effctive MB taxing to rein in that inflation, maybe interesting new money sink if it has gone out of hand.
New 50mil mounts, anyone? :'D 100mil mount?

Yes, by RNG/luck. That is how rare items get to exist, something this game is sorely lacking. You kill mobs in the open world, no rare loot, not even crafting materials most of the time. You kill mobs in dungeons, nothing. You kill bosses, most of the time nothing. The only close thing is PotD hoards maybe. I think making new mounts for 50million gil or something is extremely boring again, you buy it and you have nothing else to do gameplay wise. Feels underwhelming to me.

I think submarines should be more about free companies and less about sublords, how people call them now lol. So I would get behind that proposal that fuel should be tied to the free company and not being traded to lvl 1 alts that own everything by themselves. Then there is less incentive to do it at least.

[Ravenblade1979]

So much crying. Stay on your side of the street. It's passive income. At least it's not house selling which I think last I heard...can go up to 1.5bil gil.

Yeh subs are the issue hmm

[Commander_Justitia]

So much crying. Stay on your side of the street. It's passive income. At least it's not house selling which I think last I heard...can go up to 1.5bil gil.

Yeh subs are the issue hmm

Yeah, seems like they do both. "Passive income" where normal players passive income? xD

[Avoidy]

People talk about community FCs being hurt by these changes like 95% of genuine community FC haven't been murdered by the submarine system/crap housing system already. Do you guys have any idea how many people abandoned the community FCs they were in to get an easy house that prints money all to themselves? In the housing forum it's straight up standard advice to just tell people to get a solo fc house because there're more wards for them and less competition. And then of the few community FCs that do exist, take a stab at how many actually Do The Right Thing and distribute that sub money among their members or for events. It ain't many. You'd be lucky to find a community FC that's even active thanks to how sparse the content updates are in this slow game. Stop pretending like this game's FC system isn't a joke. The systems in this game have made it so there's no real reason to even be in a community guild outside of "i just think it's neat" and even then it's gonna die because guilds have no systems in place to incentivize running anything together and there's nothing keeping anyone attached to this game between updates so you're always losing people unless you recruit sprouts in limsa like a tool. Saying this as someone who once ran a community fc, but watched cbu3 kill it with their fc housing incentives + dynamis + dc travel, etc. I could rant about this for days. These "nerf subs" threads are always full of people who just want to keep printing money, so they concern troll about le communal fcs like these are even a major force anymore, just stop. Be real and just say you want to keep printing money. I wouldn't even judge you. This game's market sucks. Being able to make money without dealing with it is great. Just say that. Stop with the bs. It's so tiresome. Every thread is like this. These submarine people pull up to downplay the money they make and cry on behalf of community fcs that have been dead for years. It's so tiresome. Just say you like making hella gil and tell OP to live with it.

[Reinha]

Do you guys have any idea how many people abandoned the community FCs they were in to get an easy house that prints money all to themselves? In the housing forum it's straight up standard advice to just tell people to get a solo fc house because there're more wards for them and less competition.

It's getting the house that matters to most people. Very few players in big or small fcs even know how to make money with the subs. Less competition on mediums and larges is the number one reason to switch to fc housing.

And then of the few community FCs that do exist, take a stab at how many actually Do The Right Thing and distribute that sub money among their members or for events. It ain't many. You'd be lucky to find a community FC that's even active thanks to how sparse the content updates are in this slow game.

They could make it so that each character in the fc has one personal submarine and airship and there are no shared vessels. That would get rid of the distribution problem, but I don't think it would reduce the number of people seeking solo fcs by a significant amount. In addition to submarines, there is control over the fc bank, control over decorating and house location, control over gardening, control over the fc credits, control over buffs and control over the workshop crafting station. The ability to trade between alts and share housing with alts is tied to fcs.

All of this means that there are many reasons why bigger fcs bleed members who go on to form solo fcs. When you're new you just want the xp buff, but over time it gets more tempting to try out the various systems available to fcs especially when coupled with the inactive nature of most fcs and the abundance of fc housing options.

This game's market sucks. Being able to make money without dealing with it is great.

You are correct!

[Reinha]

Removing fight club would absolutely free up future larges and mediums because many of those are tied to the longcon sub resale scheme. There is absolutely no reason for them to stick to smalls when resale value is astronomical, they are incentivized to double dip. The larger the sublord entity becomes the more bids they get to bid, win and upgrade into a large to then resell for a gil cap.

"Let them keep ruining the game or else they will get angry and ruin it even more"

You have never once explained how submarines "ruin the game", only how reselling does. Removing fight club would not remove the ability to upgrade to mediums and larges for the purpose of reselling them, so no mediums or larges would be freed up. Use logic please.

[Asako]

I'm curious what all these complainers need gil for. This game distinctly doesn't require gil at any point. You can get 7k a touch for every levelling or mentor roulette if you do it as required role. It's fast easy money.

[ZiraZ]

I'm curious what all these complainers need gil for. This game distinctly doesn't require gil at any point. You can get 7k a touch for every levelling or mentor roulette if you do it as required role. It's fast easy money.

I'm curious what all these sub farmers need 5 gil caps per month. This game distinctly doesn't require gil at any point. You can get 7k a touch for every levelling or mentor roulette if you do it as required role. It's fast easy money. wait... I know what they need 5 gil caps per month, it starts with r, then m and ends with t
also nice new buzzword unlocked, complainer = brings to light abuse in the system