/r/ffxivdiscussion: YoshiP comments on regrets over making FF14 too stress-free

[Kuroka]

Great, that means even more instant death and body check mechanics coming up because that is the only way they can think of to add "challenge" to the game.

I hate those with such passion, i already dislike enrage timers as they currently are, but those are just cheap.

I really think IF we manage to recover we should be allowed to. Some ppl need to see things to understand em... the EW trials had so many cheap kills that would just wipe the party - look at golbez with his knockback, meteor, tower stuff... zeromus blackhole... or back then how you could wipe emerald ex within like 15 seconds due orbs lol

Also i want some solid walls, no death pits, insta death spikes or anything... just for once a nice, save, solid wall...

[CidHeiral]

This is great to hear. Hopefully he's referring to content difficulty and job design. I'll believe it when I see it though.

Same here. I love the game, but my age and busy life/fatigue do impact on my in-game performance. Heck, I'm hesitant to run level 90 roulettes as I'm always worried it'll be 'The Dead Ends' - I've never gotten to grips with that one and prove to be a burden to any team unfortunate enough to have me there.

What part of that dungeon is confusing for you?

[AnotherPerson]

I just did Dead Ends and only meeped up once and died. That was my fault, though. To be clear to everyone else, I said I found them difficult, not unplaybale. The thing is, I play games to relax and enjoy myself. What we have is fine, but I don't want it turning into a something that feels like a job, where I need a degree to play.

The dead ends was more of a ton of instant fail-states that were from one-shot mechanics or basically put you in a state of a one-shot. As long as you failed the mechanic (because the mechanics have multi-steps and can happen in quick succession), you were going to die or have a very high possibility of dying if you didn't know where to go. I think it's not incredibly fun for many players as the only response for recovery was just simply 'raise'. You can't really interact to the mechanics in any meaningful way, heals or no heals. So the agency didn't fall to the players other than knowing where to find the safe spot. Healers couldn't really do anything to vuln stack accumulation one shotting people and Esuna is more like a on-off switch that you either used or don't. Our toolkits were basically not made to handle those fights outside of just dps. It took a lot more pages from high-end fights in the sense where you either do the mechanic correctly or wipe. However, if you knew the mechanics, the dungeon itself was otherwise not challenging in the slightest because you just avoided most of the heavy damage from the getgo by knowing where to position yourself. Personally, I don't like it for that reason too. I like to have a fairly interactable yet not too mechanically difficult fight if I'm doing casual content, but I don't want a braindead fight where I just glare all day and run into pass-fail checks nonstop as a "mechanic".

[Jojoya]

I hope this doesn't mean they've decided to implement Pathfinder to unlock flying.

In other words, his comment is so vague we've got no way of knowing what he was thinking about when it said it. Any number of things could fall under the heading of "less stress-free".

Maybe they're going to double down on how annoying it is to try to purchase the game and expansions from the Square Enix store.

Maybe FATE timers are going to be reduced from 15 minutes to 8 minutes like a few of the ARR FATEs.

Maybe they're finally going to start killing off Scions in the MSQ instead of equipping them with plot armor so thick nothing can touch them so some players lose some of their besties/waifus.

I would highly recommend not reading anything into it because we don't have enough information to know what he's referring to.

I also wouldn't expect such changes to start happening until 7.1 at the very earliest.

[Thurmnmurmn]

I hope this doesn't mean they've decided to implement Pathfinder to unlock flying.

In other words, his comment is so vague we've got no way of knowing what he was thinking about when it said it. Any number of things could fall under the heading of "less stress-free".

Maybe they're going to double down on how annoying it is to try to purchase the game and expansions from the Square Enix store.

Maybe FATE timers are going to be reduced from 15 minutes to 8 minutes like a few of the ARR FATEs.

Maybe they're finally going to start killing off Scions in the MSQ instead of equipping them with plot armor so thick nothing can touch them so some players lose some of their besties/waifus.

I would highly recommend not reading anything into it because we don't have enough information to know what he's referring to.

I also wouldn't expect such changes to start happening until 7.1 at the very earliest.

He gave an example of what he meant by stress so we do know generally what he's talking about.

What's the harm in having hope for the future of the game?

[DrForester]

Got a FFXI thing coming up in Dawntrail. Have Rowena team up with Naja and watch the suffering.

[Niroken]

I don't trust the FF14 dev scale when it comes to terms like "a little" or "a lot".

[Maltothoris]

I do love this comment here about the stress free stuff.

However when Stone Vigil is more "stress" than any of the Endwalker Dungeons, maybe some more stress is required. Like going back more towards to original Stormblood Allyraid difficulty.

[Wyssahtyn]

I do love this comment here about the stress free stuff.

considering the director said myths of the realm was going to be ivalice launch difficulty, i really don't expect anything out of this now.

[seolhyun]

Unless he wants a Soulsborne game, stressful MMO do not fly in the current era.

New World, Crowfall,Wildstar, etc....were all fairly new "Hardercore" MMO that either shutdown or declined rather quickly. Meanwhile, the MMO king has been running since the early 2000s and is fairly casual. Lost Ark, BDO, ESO, etc are all casual stress free MMO, unless you want to make it stressful with specific events.

Want a game that does not hold your hand? Go play XI lol.....bet you won't last a week haha.......

.......You kids think ya know what you want.........You don't want an harder FF game, trust me.
(Fighting Maat in the early 2000s or you can't level anymore.....)

what is bro yapping about. ppl just want the game to go back to SB and SHB difficulty not 0 wipe day 1 alli raids and relics that are done on login.