/r/ffxivdiscussion: YoshiP comments on regrets over making FF14 too stress-free

[SailorCeti]

If he does this, I hope it's in terms of optional things, like duty difficulties. If he makes it harder, or more stressfull overall, I'm out. I have had two strokes and not only have physical limitations now, but my mental acquity is down. I already find normal level 90 dungeons difficult.

[Colt47]

Its normal content thats so easy and mind numbing I stopped doing it.

And the biggest issue I see is that literally every single dungeon is 2 packs of mobs, a wall, do it again, a boss, repeat that 3 times. And as of lv 82, I don't even think anyone who isn't a tank even needs to DO anything.
Like FFXIV has the worst dungeon gameplay I've ever seen in gaming, and its surpising to me that its the overwhelming majority of content with it being so bad like this.

Every pull is the same, every dungeon is trivialized by an overtuned tank mitigation, its boring.

it wasn't too bad during the start of Endwalker and going through the leveling dungeons. Typically, the difficulty falls off a cliff once someone hits end game because the minimum level of gear they need content to work with is typically miles below what the gear level is from true end game players. That's part of the reason why power creep, even so much as using higher gear score for hard content rewards, is a slippery slope. Even if someone doesn't do that particular content, they are likely going to party with someone that has done it or is currently very far along on the gearing process, which will make the over-all experience easier for good or ill.

[Absurdity]

it wasn't too bad during the start of Endwalker and going through the leveling dungeons. Typically, the difficulty falls off a cliff once someone hits end game because the minimum level of gear they need content to work with is typically miles below what the gear level is from true end game players. That's part of the reason why power creep, even so much as using higher gear score for hard content rewards, is a slippery slope. Even if someone doesn't do that particular content, they are likely going to party with someone that has done it or is currently very far along on the gearing process, which will make the over-all experience easier for good or ill.

The difficulty is only a minor issue with dungeons, their core design is simply not interesting.

As Oizen has said they all follow the same template, 2 trash groups -> wall -> 2 trash groups -> boss -> repeat, some medium sized square or circular rooms connected by hallways and then a big room for the boss.
The dungeon environment itself is basically always the same with the background swapped out, do one dungeon and you've done all of them.

They could double the damage that everything in the dungeon does and it wouldn't make them any more interesting to run.

[Avoidy]

Man, Dawntrail's really setting expectations high. This is refreshing to hear, but I'll believe it when I see it.
If Yoshida is truly only beginning to lament this sort of thing now, then it implies we won't even see these changes in Dawntrail since (according to how they've said they schedule their work) DT should be done at this point. At best we'll see these changes in post-DT or maybe even in 8.0 lol

God though, I hope they don't just crank up the heat in savage and call it a day. Like, there're statics I've seen that disbanded in post-EW because they just got fed up. Maybe take that focus and crank up these insultingly simple alliance raids, normal raids, trials, etc. because people can close their eyes and eat like 7 vulns worth of stuff and still not die in some of this and it's just sad af. Hell, even some of the earlier extremes were designed in a way where 1 guy with a safety dorito could guide the other 7 to a clear; middle-of-the-road players got shafted so hard in EW imo. Like, if the hardest thing you enjoy doing is EX/Unreal, you basically got a single thing to do every 4 months, an unreal on repeat, and that was it, congrats! I hope they tweak that formula or SOMETHING, idk, 'cause if I'm being real when I get off work I'm not trying to do giga hard stuff but it'd be cool if normal mode didn't just feel like I could ignore multiple mechanics and still coast. It's like the platformer analogy. There're no pits to fall into, so it's boring. And the gameplay's boring too. Every job feels the same. I'm legit rolling dice to determine what job I play because I don't feel strongly one way or another about any of them at this point.

Hell, even if they keep the story stuff really really easy so anyone can progress it (totally fine, w/e) at least make the jobs feel better to play because having boring jobs and boring content makes me not even want to play.

[Carin-Eri]

If he does this, I hope it's in terms of optional things, like duty difficulties. If he makes it harder, or more stressfull overall, I'm out. I have had two strokes and not only have physical limitations now, but my mental acquity is down. I already find normal level 90 dungeons difficult.

Same here. I love the game, but my age and busy life/fatigue do impact on my in-game performance. Heck, I'm hesitant to run level 90 roulettes as I'm always worried it'll be 'The Dead Ends' - I've never gotten to grips with that one and prove to be a burden to any team unfortunate enough to have me there.

[Larirawiel]

Oh, he realizes that now?

Thank goodness.

What? There was some content which was not so stress-free. And the people complained about it literary everywhere.




Cheers

[IDontPetLalas]

If I can add to this 'Hell, even if they keep the story stuff really really easy so anyone can progress it (totally fine, w/e) at least make the jobs feel better to play because having boring jobs and boring content makes me not even want to play." if I'm grouping with other people, then I would rather have content that reflects that. Rather that having some intricate dance, and adding more and more Aoes and overlapping mechanics, I would prefer adding mechanics that involve some cooperation between party members, and/or interaction with the environment, or unique dungeon designs.

That might allow for more interesting jobs as well. or I might be dreaming. However, it's been done elsewhere.

[caffe_macchiato]

So what does this mean for the Square Enix defenders? Yoshi-P admitted fault with FFXIV, which means he is now an enemy of theirs. Will he be told to go back to WoW or play other games? Or does the defense squad need to undergo reconditioning?

[ZiraZ]

Lets go, Double oGCDs on every job, 1 shot mechanics on every dungeon boss, learn from the mistakes of P8s instead of making enrages a joke, smaller hitboxes, remove wall bosses, triple amount of casts for SMN, limit Bloodwhetting healing to 1 target, more math bosses in alliance raids.

[Mecia]

On one hand, great, hopeful for DT.

On the other, ''Myths of the Realm will have Ivalice difficulty''.

Mightve been a Thaleia comment but eitherway