Please remove MSQ dungeons from Mentor roulette

[Mithron]

Quite bold of you to decide who needs your help and who does not. You just don't like these three duties and try to spin it into a "they don't need my help" excuse when your help is already not needed for the majority of content.

Basic common sense says Green Leafs don't need my help watching cutscenes in two very easy instances that got even easier. Basic common sense says plenty of people regularly run MSQ Roulette every single day so they will rarely, if ever, need to wait long for them to pop. Please, have basic common sense or refrain from posting until you do.

If this was true, you wouldn't have made this thread.

I made this thread because I love helping people. That's why I became a Mentor and why I run Mentor Roulettes even after completing the daily sometimes. I already have more Gil than I'll ever spend, I cap on Tomes extremely quick, and there's plenty of better options to get 30 other Tomes if that was what I wanted. I'm not particularly interested in any of the Mentor Achievement rewards, I'm already 1024 duties into it. Because I love helping people, Mentor Roulette with basic common sense should only give us duties that aren't the two MSQ dungeons. Some people are scared and want to learn how to do their first Guildhest before tackling a Dungeon. Some people want to experience Extreme Trials synced and/or know the Party Finder will just tell them to unsync it. Whatever it is, I love helping them. The MSQ dungeons already have MSQ Roulette for helpers and I can't help new players watch cutscenes. It wastes my time and the time of those I could actually be helping instead.

The fact I need to explain this to you is an embarrassment.

Needing help is heavily subjective. You may not consider being available for the queue to pop to be helping but I can assure you that it is. Some early dungeons can take a good while for a pop and it's one of the main reasons duty support is getting so much attention.

No one's talking about early dungeons, this is only applying to Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium. I love helping Green Leafs through any other dungeon as needed, and they certainly don't take a "good while" to pop thanks to MSQ Roulette.

[Heroman3003]

The real main purpose of that roulette never had been to help or anything, but to be the 'universal' queue filler for anyone doing something first time, to make sure wait isn't too long. That's just how it is.

[Xirean]

No one's talking about early dungeons, this is only applying to Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium. I love helping Green Leafs through any other dungeon as needed, and they certainly don't take a "good while" to pop thanks to MSQ Roulette.

Those dungeons within the MSQ roulette are early dungeons. It's ARR; everything within it is early content at this point of the games lifespan.

Please, have basic common sense or refrain from posting until you do.

The fact I need to explain this to you is an embarrassment.

However, based on these comments it's pretty clear that you are not here to have an honest healthy discussion.

[Asako]

If you love helping people then help by filling stuff that needs done. That's your job as mentor. It always has been. I'm not sure where you got this mentality that you actively need to be helping people with mechanics. All you need to do is show up and do your job. If you feel your time is being wasted by helping people then you're not really as selfless as you think.

Help comes in many forms. If you plan on sticking with mentor roulette then get used to Main Scenario. There's plenty more to come. Be thankful it's no longer the 40 minute version.

If you really want to help people and not care about the reward, then just open duty finder and look for any instance with a number that isn't 0 and queue for it. You can even pick what instance you help people with.

That being said, looking at your attitude on these forums I don't think I'd even want you in my party as a mentor. Terrible attitude to have.

[Fynlar]

Agreed. MSQ roulette is there for people who are willing to deal with unskippable cutscenes; I would assume that's the whole reason why they're cordoned off from the 50/60/70/80 roulette and into their own roulette in the first place. People who don't want to deal with it simply don't have to queue that roulette. At least, that's how it should be. Sticking them into another roulette kinda undermines this.

While you're at it, remove extremes too. Extremes are for established players looking for a greater (and optional) challenge, not for newer players that need help with progressing story. (Not to mention most of them past ARR will never get a bite on the DF anyway.)

If you aren't willing to help with every singular duty, don't do Mentor Roulette and while you're at it, remove your Burger King crown.

lol, nah.

[VictorSpoils]

This topic gets brought up a lot. The 3.2 patch notes corroborate the claim that the roulette is meant to help fill duties, but this generally contradicts what actually happens. Like the other roulettes, it tends to repeatedly prioritize certain duties whether they're struggling to find people or not. There's no way Smileton needed bodies if everyone was queueing for it already. It would be more believable if Alliance Raids appeared more often (particularly the Stormblood raids) which not only need the most bodies but have the longest queue times, but they're the rarest type of duty in the roulette, even for backfills.

We can also safely assume that it doesn't prioritize matchmaking with sprouts or first timers, both of which would be sensible, as there are too many occasions where neither appear. I distinctly remember getting a fresh Praetorium with three trade mentors, which shouldn't even be possible.

Also, there's inconsistent logic being applied for MSQ dungeons (which supposedly just need bodies) and Extreme trials (which actually need people to help out), as well as guildhests where neither argument applies, despite them arguably showing up the most. If one or more of those were removed and it led to normal trials/raids/alliance raids appearing more often, it would not be a drawback.

I personally found that queueing as a tank/healer tended to get me put into 'mundane' things like MSQ roulettes more frequently, so I started to queue as a DPS with 'join in progress' enabled instead. That seemed to make it it much more common for me to be queued into 'obscure' 8+ player duties, namely EX trials which I genuinely enjoyed doing.

Might be misremembering, but I think the roulette disregards that option and has backfills enabled by default. It would make sense if it's intended to help fill duties.

[MistakeNot]

Basic common sense says Green Leafs don't need my help watching cutscenes in two very easy instances that got even easier.

"Got even easier"??
When they revamped Castrum Meridanium/Praetorium a while ago, the instances became much harder in most cases. The ilvl sync got a lot tighter so the instances can no longer be outgeared and the fights just breezed through.
Now you have to work to get through those instances. They are still not very difficult, but sleepwalking through them is no longer possible.

And as others have said - main purpose of Mentor roulette is to fill out with warm bodies where needed, nothing more. In many cases that's all the help needed, but if you think you are too good for that, then don't bother running Mentor Roulette.

[Asako]

While you're at it, remove extremes too. Extremes are for established players looking for a greater (and optional) challenge, not for newer players that need help with progressing story. (Not to mention most of them past ARR will never get a bite on the DF anyway.)

If Extremes are for established players why does it pop so often in Mentor roulette then? There are a lot of new players out there looking to dip their toes into something bigger than Main Scenario and let's face it, Main Scenario teaches you nothing gameplay wise. In the almost 4k Mentor roulettes I've done, the best experiences are with new players in EX trials and I very rarely don't get the job done. Best of all, I love getting other mentors that moan and complain and they end up leaving, only for us to pass when we get a replacement.

Turns out most mentors are the problem in these roulettes because they unlock the content by undersizing it, then when it comes up in the roulette, they wet the bed and not wanting to be called out for being crap they just moan and leave blaming the sprouts to undersize it. Turns out a lot of sprouts aren't candy men that want the game played for them.

If you're leaving these instances or moaning at others to undersize it, the problem isn't the roulette, it's you being a mentor. The unlock criteria should 100% exclude undersizing unlocks.

[VictorSpoils]

If Extremes are for established players why does it pop so often in Mentor roulette then? There are a lot of new players out there looking to dip their toes into something bigger than Main Scenario and let's face it, Main Scenario teaches you nothing gameplay wise. In the almost 4k Mentor roulettes I've done, the best experiences are with new players in EX trials and I very rarely don't get the job done. Best of all, I love getting other mentors that moan and complain and they end up leaving, only for us to pass when we get a replacement.

Turns out most mentors are the problem in these roulettes because they unlock the content by undersizing it, then when it comes up in the roulette, they wet the bed and not wanting to be called out for being crap they just moan and leave blaming the sprouts to undersize it. Turns out a lot of sprouts aren't candy men that want the game played for them.

If you're leaving these instances or moaning at others to undersize it, the problem isn't the roulette, it's you being a mentor. The unlock criteria should 100% exclude undersizing unlocks.

There's just a whole slew of problems with Extreme trials being in the roulette:

1. Sprouts queue for ARR Extremes unaware of the fact that Party Finder is preferable, because you don't have to find a new group and start over when you time out. It's not their fault for not knowing (unless it's a masochist farming Rathalos scales), but it's a faulty practice that shouldn't be encouraged, especially with how empty PF is most of the time. That's also why only ARR trials show up.
2. Mentors are inevitably going to be unprepared since they're being thrown into a random Extreme and are expected to have all the mechanics memorized.
3. Party balance is all out of whack. Very often will there be 1-2 mentors with 6 sprouts, and it almost always grabs DPS mentors, making it much harder to get through fights.
4. People generally don't use food/potions, and most sprouts aren't even looking at guides. This would be unacceptable in later/modern Extremes, and if that etiquette can't be emulated then why bother doing them synced? Should ARR Extremes be fodder regardless?
5. If the roulette is strictly meant to fill party slots and not actually teach mechanics like in MSQ dungeons, then it's no surprise there are going to be mentors that don't want to deal with Extremes. Complaining about mentors leaving these duties isn't any different from mentors complaining about getting them.

[Espon]

They should just change it so only Guildhests show up in Mentor roulette so I can quickly get the mount and not have to actually mentor people in any content when I do Mentor Roulette.