My feedback on the method of obtaining relics in Endwalker

[Heroman3003]

ARR books are not a currency you acquire, but they are a good example of how to progress a relic step. The only issue I ever had with the books were the specific FATEs you needed to clear while in possession of the book. Time is precious and no one should have to waste it camping a zone.

Specific roulettes, roulettes in general, and even tomes are all lackluster means to progress relic steps. A relic for the current expansion should have you doing content within that expansion. This is how having a separate currency works as doing things like the current dungeons, 24-man raids, trials, 8-man raids, deep dungeon, etc. can all award this currency upon completion assuming the quest is active. Relics are a poor, uninventive means to keep old content alive, or to incentivize players to run new content like the Variant Dungeons. All of these should be able to remain relevant by their own merit. Using relics in this manner has been disastrous for this dev team in terms of positive feedback.

Anyone who says relic progression in their current form is due to players complaining about everything removes all accountability from the devs, but this doesn't change the fact that a lot of the playerbase are whiney, entitled brats who you can't make happy no matter what you do. When you [try to] cater to these player types the way this dev team constantly does instead of drawing a line in the sand, this is exactly what happens.

Tbh relics make more sense to use older content than current content, because for current expansion, current content NORMALLY already has incentives to be played on account of being current, while old content is left behind in the dust. Hell, that's the only reason Eureka and Bozja are even somewhat populated nowadays, because if EW had expedition zone, theyd be near-dead even in peak hours.

[Gemina]

Tbh relics make more sense to use older content than current content, because for current expansion, current content NORMALLY already has incentives to be played on account of being current, while old content is left behind in the dust. Hell, that's the only reason Eureka and Bozja are even somewhat populated nowadays, because if EW had expedition zone, theyd be near-dead even in peak hours.

What incentives do you have to run standard versions of EW trials and 8-man raids? How about the dungeons that are not in expert roulette? Do you queue for any of them specifically? I can agree when it comes to content of the current patch, but even when it comes to lv90 content, anything outside the current patch cycle is already outdated and will place anyone trying to get these cleared into a long queue. Just because you can get these instances in a roulette doesn't mean players are actively running them.

Older content is kept afloat through the roulettes. There might be a small bundle of players chasing glamour or working on an older relic, but it's mainly the roulettes that shortens queue times when players want/need to do these duties specifically. If you weren't for roulettes, duties like CT which is ran nearly daily for most players would be dead content.