My feedback on the method of obtaining relics in Endwalker

[Mithron]

Considering Bozja is still the most interacted with content that’s not on a roulette i think saying they were a failure is about as wrong as possible

Whether you think this is because of genuine enjoyment or simply “because of the relics” it shows that a zone with relics gets engagement rivalling roulette content, how is that anything but a resounding victory for bozja’s content design

1. It's not populated enough and never will be.
2. Just because it has any population or interaction doesn't mean it was successful. Being forced to do something you hate doing to get something you normally get otherwise without having to do this content is not a good thing.

You did not and do not need tanks and healers though, DPS can fill both roles and thats what makes Bozja so fun. All it took was one player to step up, ive tanked it as BLM plenty of times for example.

You can dislike exploratories all you want but youre either just lying or forgetting what you can do in them.

You do if no one's using actions. A BLM cannot tank it if they aren't using actions and no one else is. Did you miss that point?

[Supersnow845]

1. It's not populated enough and never will be.
2. Just because it has any population or interaction doesn't mean it was successful. Being forced to do something you hate doing to get something you normally get otherwise without having to do this content is not a good thing.



You do if no one's using actions. A BLM cannot tank it if they aren't using actions and no one else is. Did you miss that point?

You have literally just described the roulettes

What kinda content do you actually want then, because Bozja beats out any content not on a roulette

Should we delete all content not on a roulette

[MoofiaBossVal]

To me the Eureka weapons were the best. Seeing other people with a prestigious glowing weapon made me want to do Eureka too. I loved progressing through the four Eureka Zones to get my relic weapon, and that is how I would prefer to get future relic weapons.

I didn't like how Bozja was only two zones (also other issues like the aesthetics not being good for spending dozens to hundreds of hours grinding in), and how at certain points you couldn't continue progressing your relic weapon by playing Bozja. At a certain point, you are forced to leave Bozja and do the crappy experience of farming FATEs in Gyr Abania or Othard by yourself, or queue up for the Mhach or Ivalice raids I was already sick and tired of when I levelled alt jobs.

Endwalker having welfare relic weapons that require you to just watch a zany questline that has long outstayed its welcome and then pay up to tomestones to immediately get your weapon and everyone else has the same glowing weapons doesn't feel satisfying.

[Mithron]

You have literally just described the roulettes

What kinda content do you actually want then, because Bozja beats out any content not on a roulette

Should we delete all content not on a roulette

I enjoy roulettes outside MSQ roulette which is obviously optional. I don't enjoy Eureka or Bozja. I enjoy being able to complete relics without ever touching Eureka or Bozja. So instead of deleting content, make relics not attached to Eureka or Bozja. It's not hard.

[strawberrycake]

I enjoy roulettes outside MSQ roulette which is obviously optional. I don't enjoy Eureka or Bozja. I enjoy being able to complete relics without ever touching Eureka or Bozja. So instead of deleting content, make relics not attached to Eureka or Bozja. It's not hard.

The answer is to make Eureka Bozja content and then add in an alternative after for people who dont like it, it's that simple.

[Heroman3003]

The answer is to make Eureka Bozja content and then add in an alternative after for people who dont like it, it's that simple.

But dae if your do that, nobody will play the new Eureka Bozja!!!!!11 /s

Discarding that bad faith argument, that would be a good solution, but even Bozja still required you too grindfest through to progress the relic because story ties. If relic was truly completely unrelated to the expedition zone, but you could just also get pieces for it by doing the zone, it'd be perfect.

[Supersnow845]

I enjoy roulettes outside MSQ roulette which is obviously optional. I don't enjoy Eureka or Bozja. I enjoy being able to complete relics without ever touching Eureka or Bozja. So instead of deleting content, make relics not attached to Eureka or Bozja. It's not hard.

You are missing the point, Bozja has higher engagement than any content not in the roulette and exceeds some content in the roulette, how is square meant to see that any other way than making field content and attaching a relic to it is a way to generate content that gets that sort of engagement

You are currently talking out of both sides of your mouth “field content is dead so nothing important should be tied to it” but also “remove important things tied to field content”

[strawberrycake]

But dae if your do that, nobody will play the new Eureka Bozja!!!!!11 /s

Discarding that bad faith argument, that would be a good solution, but even Bozja still required you too grindfest through to progress the relic because story ties. If relic was truly completely unrelated to the expedition zone, but you could just also get pieces for it by doing the zone, it'd be perfect.

Yeah my whole idea is that you have the Field Content zone more involved with the relic, and you can earn it through progression, in a much less, tedious way. And then after that step is done, you have an alternative put in either at the end of the expansion or at the end of each patch. People win on both sides and no one can really feel left out. The alternative also doesn;t collide with with the concurrent step so the Field Content Zones stay active.

[Supersnow845]

If they were going to do it half half the step that is done outside of the zone should be one step behind but that would still impact the contents evergreen potential

So they release step 2 inside the field content zone and then step 1 gets the outside the field content option

[strawberrycake]

If they were going to do it half half the step that is done outside of the zone should be one step behind but that would still impact the contents evergreen potential

So they release step 2 inside the field content zone and then step 1 gets the outside the field content option

It's why you can just back end the alternative to the end of the expansion for players who can't be assed to grind in dedicated content and keep the in zone ever green thus making sure players can do it in new expansions either way and players during the expansion can't say they were forced to do something they dont like.