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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    I feel like most classes suffer more from “APM bloat” or “redundant actions” bloat than they do true button bloat

    Classes like DRK, NIN and AST suffer from APM bloat where they have messy overfull burst windows full of actions you only press during the burst window and then they are relatively boring outside of that (this is actually the one pro I give modern SMN, it never has a part of its rotation that actively feels weak like doing your 123 on NIN does)

    PLD especially more so suffers from redundant actions bloat (but I could also point out the bension/aquaveil problem) where it just has alot of actions that while doing kinda different things all lead to the same result (not dying), clemency, intervention, cover, passage, shield lob they are all just kinda there

    I’d say the only class right now suffering from true button bloat is SCH because SCH equals AST and PLD for most actions but all of SCH’s actions are actually unique and useful and it doesn’t have a bursty burst window you have to press 85 buttons in. Even if you deleted what most consider SCH’s 2 most useless actions (blessing and protraction) it still has close to the most actions of any class and beyond those two it becomes harder and harder to justify which action to delete
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    Kuma Grizzlpaw
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    Dark Knight Lv 67
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I feel like most classes suffer more from “APM bloat” or “redundant actions” bloat than they do true button bloat

    Classes like DRK, NIN and AST suffer from APM bloat where they have messy overfull burst windows full of actions you only press during the burst window and then they are relatively boring outside of that (this is actually the one pro I give modern SMN, it never has a part of its rotation that actively feels weak like doing your 123 on NIN does)

    PLD especially more so suffers from redundant actions bloat (but I could also point out the bension/aquaveil problem) where it just has alot of actions that while doing kinda different things all lead to the same result (not dying), clemency, intervention, cover, passage, shield lob they are all just kinda there

    I’d say the only class right now suffering from true button bloat is SCH because SCH equals AST and PLD for most actions but all of SCH’s actions are actually unique and useful and it doesn’t have a bursty burst window you have to press 85 buttons in. Even if you deleted what most consider SCH’s 2 most useless actions (blessing and protraction) it still has close to the most actions of any class and beyond those two it becomes harder and harder to justify which action to delete
    This is actually my biggest problem with most jobs. The bursts are cool and flashy, but then there's a minute or more of downtime where you have nothing to do. I wouldn't mind if bursts were less busy and filler phases had more for you to do.

    For healers, we really don't need a fancy burst phase, some more interesting filler would be enough. I will continue to point to PvP sage as a perfect example of healer DPS done right.
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