PL Woes

[Wincy]

Just this morning I got my first Natalan wolves party. I went from 43 - 50 in ~ 3 hours. I think THAT is powerleveling lol...

[Zaaku]

Just this morning I got my first Natalan wolves party. I went from 43 - 50 in ~ 3 hours. I think THAT is powerleveling lol...

That is the fault with everyone's "Well I only PL to 40" argument. It takes, such as in your case, a DAY to doing that last gap. You don't have the time to learn anything.

[NoctisUmbra]

That is the fault with everyone's "Well I only PL to 40" argument. It takes, such as in your case, a DAY to doing that last gap. You don't have the time to learn anything.

You're implying that you learn valuable experience that applies to endgame scenarios from an exp grind party. Stop doing that. It's wrong lol.

[Bled]

That is the fault with everyone's "Well I only PL to 40" argument. It takes, such as in your case, a DAY to doing that last gap. You don't have the time to learn anything.

What is wrong with learning your job in the end game, especially with how dramatically different it is from level grinding. I believe you should work at progressing you character (aka im against PL), however when grinding does nothing but add stat points and a new weapon whats the point. I would love to see dynamic content that makes leveling worthwhile to learning your role for end game as it stand now leveling is just a boring road block.

Even FF11 (no matter the complaint on grinding) had more relevant leveling mechanics towards end game.

[Majidah]

In XI when a bad player got to 75 it meant something. He either bought his character or got PLed or *something*. In XIV getting 50 and being bad at it is the norm. No exp loss, mobs die in two seconds. Its impossible NOT to go anywhere but up.

[Dubberrucky]

In XI when a bad player got to 75 it meant something. He either bought his character or got PLed or *something*. In XIV getting 50 and being bad at it is the norm. No exp loss, mobs die in two seconds. Its impossible NOT to go anywhere but up.

Just as a side note in XI you also had to prove your metal vs Maat before you could attain 75. something that could be beneficial in eliminating much of the guesswork.

[Riku_Toiiku]

I would like to see PLing stop.

But I'm not going to argue about good, bad or commited players.

My arguement is enjoyment.

You see, I'm a role-player from Balmung (haters gunna hate). So I have other reasons to play. To keep me hooked on the game. Without RP, I would not still be here. Why?

I've gotten a class up to level 50. I can do most end-game content. When that's all finished, and every other class reaches 50 with full AF gear, ifrit and moogle weapons etc... then what? What would there be left to do? For non-RPers, very little. The longer levelling takes, the longer a player would stay with the game, as long as it doesn't get too tedious.

As well as that, this is what PLing does:

- Makes players stay for a shorter period = less money for SE

- Annoys those who havn't PLed

- Spoils public parties

- Gives people less reason to do side-quests and storyline quests, so they don't enjoy the story as much, and miss out on the things that break up the monotony of grinding leves.

It harms the PLed players just as much as anyone else, even if they don't realise that.

I've been PLed twice. But only because the rest of my online linkshell was doing it, and I didn't want to be left out and sat away from my friends. I did not enjoy PLing, and it skipped about 10 levels in total for my Lancer, meaning I missed being able to do quests within those level spaces and still get a decent reward without having to use a completely different class. It was also incredibly boring to stand there, doing nothing and I wanted to drag everyone away to do something more fun, but they wouldn't.

So... what's my problem with PLing? You ask. Why complain, and why not just ignore it and let the other PLers carry on?

Simple. Because all my LS is still doing it. I can't go and level up the normal way in parties, because they're all PLing instead, which I don't want to do. And I don't want to find a party of strangers, either, because that's less fun than levelling with friends.

It doesn't just damage end-game parties in ways previously mentioned by other posters, it damages the enjoyment of other players who want to level up the way that should be done.

[Masamune1004]

That is the fault with everyone's "Well I only PL to 40" argument. It takes, such as in your case, a DAY to doing that last gap. You don't have the time to learn anything.

If it takes you longer then that to learn the basics of your class, then you're pretty much hopeless anyway.

[Ramsey]

This thread makes the fundamental mistake of assuming EXP PTs in FFXIV would ever require you to know what Esuna is, or how to use it.

Unfortunately, even if you don't PL, PTing as far as I can tell in FFXIV is as mindless as it was in post ToAU FFXI, basically, completely mindless.

I'm glad PLing exists, though I don't often do it myself, when I'm leveling a second or third job I will throw slow bits if I get sick of partying and leveing, because unfortunately, that content is not very interesting the second or third time through. Not that it was mind-blowing in FFXI, but pre-ToAU there was usually enough coordination involved to keep things interesting.

In FFXIV though, the average status effect doesn't last very long, and most enemies don't have very painful effects, especially not ones you exp on. The worst is sleep, and you don't need esuna to wake someone up.

[Eiz]

There are many reasons implicit in the comments against the pl, not all objective and reasoned. I don't buy the argument that leveling with PL make you a noob. I'm not going to defend that behavior neither, but one thing must be pointed: PL doesn't create noobs. There are a lot out there and i'm sure most of them doesn't even know about the PL thing.
Noobism is an attitude, it goes with the personality, same way as in life there are and always will be ignorants and there is people eager of knowledge.

I used to have 6 75's in FFXI. Ones i've used more and others less. Ones were leveled in barely one month while others took me a year and half. Obviously, your knowledge and skills with a job, like anything in life, improves with experience and practice... but also with effort and the amount of interest you put on it.
There were people in XI who took the long and tedious way of leveling a job and played it for years and still playing and behaving like noobs. In fact the word "noob" itself differs from "newbie" in that point.

The job that took me year and half (my 1st as you can guess) was the Dark Knight. I played that job for thousands of hours (Leveling, Genkai, Main Sceneario, RoZ, CoP, farming, camping, and finally end game). I got to know every minor detail of DRK, got obsessed parsing and improving dps and gear-swap macros for every single spell or weaponskill. That's good.

But at some point, a random group of ppl i was playing with, needed a RDM/DRK. All 6 RDM's in that group were too lazy to level DRK to 37 so i used to get my RDM1 and leveled it to 75 in near a month. Just a few weeks after that i was leading Stun at khimaira, cerberus or tiamat, mostly in Tank's party so you can figure out.

The happy ending of this history is that i loved RDM and started playing it as my main job. If you read this, Mr-P, we want Delamund to bring us Red Mage back!

Well, my point is not that I rock.. is that you can complain about PL for many reasons.. Because lowers the challenge, or because you leveled painfully through leves from release and it bothers you that others have this shortcurt.. all that is fine. But please, don't put the noob's excuse, is self-deceptive.