Pictomancer's effects need some more work

[Cidel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgdg...nnel=rendermax

Wow. That's from about two years ago too. I'm not saying that XIV deciding to make Splatoon magePictomancer now is a rip-off of that Lost Ark game's Artist class trailer (might certainly be thinking it), but when the reveal trailer is also of a cutesy blond skipping onto the scene being all giggles and smiles before whipping out the brush and splattering paint...

What's really going on here?

(Their Artist class has way better-looking aesthetic effects btw)

[Merrigan]

Wow. That's from about two years ago too. I'm not saying that XIV deciding to make Splatoon magePictomancer now is a rip-off of that Lost Ark game's Artist class trailer (might certainly be thinking it), but when the reveal trailer is also of a cutesy blond skipping onto the scene being all giggles and smiles before whipping out the brush and splattering paint...

What's really going on here?

(Their Artist class has way better-looking aesthetic effects btw)

It's a much nicer design, yes. And ironically, the sense of destruction we get on Lost Ark only brings out the "cute" side of the character. A little lalafel with a paintbrush singing in a field of flowers... And BOOM, AN INK WHALE IN YOUR FACE.

Yup, would play that.

I'm not sure it's an inspiration, though. The pictomancer existed in FF before Lost Ark.

[Cidel]

I'm not sure it's an inspiration, though. The pictomancer existed in FF before Lost Ark.

Oh for sure, not arguing that. But the similarities between the two reveal trailers and general timing of it coming into the MMO scene seem a little too coincidental... ( ``/\

[Yshnal]

Oh for sure, not arguing that. But the similarities between the two reveal trailers and general timing of it coming into the MMO scene seem a little too coincidental... ( ``/\

Setting aside the fact that pictomancer existed in FF since 1994, in Dissidia: OO, Relm (Jan 2019) already had almost the same animations that FFXIV is using for the job. The paint strokes done when casting are even literal clones in style (technical limitations notwithstanding), the only difference being that Relm made an easel appear to "paint on it" (not really) and FFXIV's pictomancer does it directly on the air. Anyway, Lost Ark wasn't even released in Korea (Dec 2019) back then, and much less the Artist class (Jan 2021).

[Cidel]

Setting aside the fact that pictomancer existed in FF since 1994, in Dissidia: OO, Relm (Jan 2019) already had almost the same animations that FFXIV is using for the job. The paint strokes done when casting are even literal clones in style (technical limitations notwithstanding), the only difference being that Relm made an easel appear to "paint on it" (not really) and FFXIV's pictomancer does it directly on the air. Anyway, Lost Ark wasn't even released in Korea (Dec 2019) back then, and much less the Artist class (Jan 2021).

Go back and carefully read what I posted. Not even making a point over when the concept of the class was invented nor the paint stroke animations, but rather the reveal trailers and their overall vibes. Either way, you're free to continue to take it seriously.

[Yshnal]

Go back and carefully read what I posted. Not even making a point over when the concept of the class was invented nor the paint stroke animations, but rather the reveal trailers and their overall vibes. Either way, you're free to continue to take it seriously.

My point is that not only the trailers look nothing alike in my opinion (besides the characters in them being cute females using a giant paintbrush), but that what's shown in the trailer for the pictomancer are things that existed and looked that way since before Lost Ark or its Artist were released. It's hard to copy or even take inspiration from anything from the Artist's trailer from 2020 (date when the trailer was originally published) when what's shown here is the same stuff that a character from 2019 already did, and which was directly inspired by the 1994 version.

Or how else could they showcase the job? Because it's also the same format that they've always used for job reveals, with a small intro, then the character using the job actions (I already explained this) against a random monster, and then an outro. All of that while using a fitting music and tone for the job, reminiscent of its origins. I'm legit wondering, since you even literally said that you "might certainly be thinking" that the pictomancer (didn't mention the trailer there, by the way) is a rip-off of that Lost Ark game's Artist class trailer. I copied and pasted your words, so you might want to go back and carefully read what you posted (joking, lol). Moreover, I also fail to see whats "a little too coincidental" about the timing considering the differences in dates that I mentioned.

Anyway, and in all seriousness now, I'm not sure why you thought that I took anything seriously and not that I was making a casual interaction, which is also the only thing that I do on these forums nowadays. Or why you even felt the need to write that. But you do you, I guess. I'm not here to pick up any fights, and I think that I already explained myself well enough here. I hope.

[Cidel]

My point is that not only the trailers look nothing alike in my opinion (besides the characters in them being cute females using a giant paintbrush), but that what's shown in the trailer for the pictomancer are things that existed and looked that way since before Lost Ark or its Artist were released. It's hard to copy or even take inspiration from anything from the Artist's trailer from 2020 (date when the trailer was originally published) when what's shown here is the same stuff that a character from 2019 already did, and which was directly inspired by the 1994 version.

And my point was that the trailers are actually alike in regards to their choice of model and their overall behavior prior to the actual skill showcases. You seem to be fixated on Splatoon magePictomancer's history in the franchise (which I already acknowledged in Merrigan's comment) and its animation assets being somehow replicated from a different FF game when that was never my primary comparison. Looking cutesy and cheerfully skipping onto the scene aren't exclusive to Splatoon magePictomancer's identity, so excuse me when I raise an eyebrow at an official trailer of a different online game thematically starting out the same way with a blond model wearing primarily white, parading around before noticing the camera and making a cute gesture before the gameplay segment. That has nothing to do with "the job existed before-" and everything to do with presentation. (And Krile having prominent cat ears in her outfit is just a cherry on top)

Or how else could they showcase the job? Because it's also the same format that they've always used for job reveals, with a small intro, then the character using the job actions (I already explained this) against a random monster, and then an outro. All of that while using a fitting music and tone for the job, reminiscent of its origins. I'm legit wondering, since you even literally said that you "might certainly be thinking" that the pictomancer (didn't mention the trailer there, by the way) is a rip-off of that Lost Ark game's Artist class trailer. I copied and pasted your words, so you might want to go back and carefully read what you posted (joking, lol). Moreover, I also fail to see whats "a little too coincidental" about the timing considering the differences in dates that I mentioned.

I'm aware of how XIV showcases its new jobs. You even said it yourself; it starts with a short intro: the intros are what I'm comparing. I could care less about what the skill showcase animations look like to make comparisons, especially when they're two totally different types of games. They thematically start out similar to each other with comparable models that at best I'd consider XIV's to be a possible parody. And there's a difference in stating Splat(eh, forget it) "Pictomancer is a rip-off of Artist's class trailer" than "deciding to make Pictomancer now is a rip-off of Artist's class trailer." I'm making both a timing and a thematic critique, not an original idea critique like you seem to want to (and have been) arguing.

What I found "coincidental" about the timing has nothing to do with some obscure 2019 game having a Pictomancer and more to do with XIV's Pictomancer dropping a few years (apparently 4 instead of 2) after Artist; with a similar type of reveal intro (again, it's almost a parody). We know that new jobs take about a couple years to design, so I wouldn't be shocked to hear that seeing that Artist trailer might have... "planted" an idea in the designing process.

Anyway, and in all seriousness now, I'm not sure why you thought that I took anything seriously and not that I was making a casual interaction, which is also the only thing that I do on these forums nowadays. Or why you even felt the need to write that. But you do you, I guess. I'm not here to pick up any fights, and I think that I already explained myself well enough here. I hope.

Merrigan and I were having a casual interaction. You decided to quote me specifically and drop dates and previous origins of Pictomancer in the franchise when I already had conceded and acknowledged the job was established well before Lost Ark (because I am well aware of that). It essentially came off as you trying to get some kind of "gotcha" moment on me with who invented the class first when I was clearly talking about the presentation and behavior of the models in their respective trailers. Quite frankly, I don't know why you even felt the need to respond to me and write that up when I already acknowledged it. If you didn't take it seriously, you wouldn't have bothered. Clearly, I must have hit a nerve. You already stated that you think the two trailers look nothing alike to you, so if that's your opinion on it (and well, you said it is), I guess there's nothing left to discuss.