Luckybancho census shows criterion savage was a complete and utter failure

[Striker44]

I can safely say m+ is a gigantic success in WoW while criterion is... well... a gigantic failure.

Idk why you're out here trying to tell people they should be grateful they aren't getting fun and rewarding content (aka m+) and that they should be happy with the unrewarding soulless bore that is criterion.

Please make it make sense lol, and last thing, stop pretending they read these forums, the only thing they might be reading are the JP ones if even that.

Before you speak nonsense, stick to the reality and don't blame the issues with that piece of content on the playerbase.

Actually, this was one of the biggest fears I had - that what people were seeking was bringing M+ to FFXIV. My opinion is that WoW's focus on M+ is one of the things that led me to leave that game, as I saw it lead to a focus on e-sports and the utterly, utterly toxic crowd that attracts. It felt here like we had the WoW exodus going and a push to turn FFXIV into the same thing I had chosen to leave behind. I've been beyond grateful that the FFXIV devs didn't give Criterion meaningful gear rewards, and stuck to the philosophy that it's meant to be high-level content, but for 4-person groups instead of 8-man raids. The "reward" comes from the satisfaction of working together to defeat difficult content.

Personally, I wouldn't call M+ a "gigantic success", either. It's far from the only cause, but I count it as a significant part of WoW's decline. It's popular - among the select portion of the original playerbase that remains, but it helped drive out far more people in the process. That's not a success...

[Johners]

Actually, this was one of the biggest fears I had - that what people were seeking was bringing M+ to FFXIV. My opinion is that WoW's focus on M+ is one of the things that led me to leave that game, as I saw it lead to a focus on e-sports and the utterly, utterly toxic crowd that attracts. It felt here like we had the WoW exodus going and a push to turn FFXIV into the same thing I had chosen to leave behind. I've been beyond grateful that the FFXIV devs didn't give Criterion meaningful gear rewards, and stuck to the philosophy that it's meant to be high-level content, but for 4-person groups instead of 8-man raids. The "reward" comes from the satisfaction of working together to defeat difficult content.

Personally, I wouldn't call M+ a "gigantic success", either. It's far from the only cause, but I count it as a significant part of WoW's decline. It's popular - among the select portion of the original playerbase that remains, but it helped drive out far more people in the process. That's not a success...

The problem with Mythic+ is that it's on the same gear path as raiding. However, the alternative is having two gear paths for PvE content which would only segregate the PvE players while doubling the play time for people that want to do both. People lament the era of "raid or die"... but the PvE end game was miles better then. Thankfully XIV is still "raid or die" for it's gearing. If you actually present the alternative, you'll never get the genie back in the bottle.