Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
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I don't want to hear the argument where your side is giving up everything and the other side isn't giving up anything. Tell me, what does the other side even have right now? They have absolutely nothing. People who enjoy the healers as they are right now have everything they want and the other side is completely starving. You are holding a pizza box and telling a person that has no food "I'm willing to give you some pizza, but you're not willing to give me anything in return, you only want to take.", does that seem fair to you? You claim the other side is not willing to compromise, they've already been compromising, SB kits IS the compromise, HW kits would be far more fulfilling to those who want complexity, but everyone is willing to compromise with the slightly simplified SB kits.

Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
I haven't read everything in here but I don't recall seeing people advocating for a very complex dps kit. Pretty sure a lot of the suggestions still allow for the old play style to work but allow for more optimization to increase your dps.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm asking for a 10-20% gap from current ceiling to new ceiling. An average SCH currently would lose about 600 dps if it's a 10% gap, the dps check for P9S is about 64000, 600 out of 64000 is less than 1%, it's an insane stretch to say that healer dps is a major influencer. Even more so in extremes, the current extreme can probably be beaten by both healers doing 0 damage as long as the DPS players are at least competent.