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    Thurmnmurmn's Avatar
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    Thurm Webb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    No, I'm not.

    I've already told you WHY the damage gap is a problem.

    Moreover, what is this even about? One question I asked that HASN'T been answered:

    Is asking for healers to have more complex DPS kits because you don't want to be bored, or because you want to do more damage than other healer players?

    [EDIT: Related but I don't want to distract from that - that is the question that needs to be answered - However changing SCH, AST, and SGE at all would indeed harm those who want to play SCH, AST, and SGE but see only the WHM healers get nice rotations while they are gutpunched with a complex DPS kit they didn't ask for and didn't want (talking about dps here). See? This works both ways. And as I've pointed out "It wouldn't hurt them" is a lie. It WOULD hurt them, you just consider the harm to them acceptable. They might disagree. :ENDEDIT]
    So the answer is to not be bored. However if you add new abilities, you'd assume dps would be higher since you're putting in more effort as well as are literally casting more spells than before. Why wouldn't you do more damage if you're doing more?

    I haven't read everything in here but I don't recall seeing people advocating for a very complex dps kit. Pretty sure a lot of the suggestions still allow for the old play style to work but allow for more optimization to increase your dps.
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
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    I don't want to hear the argument where your side is giving up everything and the other side isn't giving up anything. Tell me, what does the other side even have right now? They have absolutely nothing. People who enjoy the healers as they are right now have everything they want and the other side is completely starving. You are holding a pizza box and telling a person that has no food "I'm willing to give you some pizza, but you're not willing to give me anything in return, you only want to take.", does that seem fair to you? You claim the other side is not willing to compromise, they've already been compromising, SB kits IS the compromise, HW kits would be far more fulfilling to those who want complexity, but everyone is willing to compromise with the slightly simplified SB kits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    I haven't read everything in here but I don't recall seeing people advocating for a very complex dps kit. Pretty sure a lot of the suggestions still allow for the old play style to work but allow for more optimization to increase your dps.
    I don't know about anyone else, but I'm asking for a 10-20% gap from current ceiling to new ceiling. An average SCH currently would lose about 600 dps if it's a 10% gap, the dps check for P9S is about 64000, 600 out of 64000 is less than 1%, it's an insane stretch to say that healer dps is a major influencer. Even more so in extremes, the current extreme can probably be beaten by both healers doing 0 damage as long as the DPS players are at least competent.
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