How would you solve the boring "damage rotation" of the healers?

[Thurmnmurmn]

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Your entire argument is based around "But what about bad people???". If they suck at the game, there's no reason for them to be rewarded more than getting the clear (I think that's even too much of a reward but we're already there now). Which btw news flash, most casual groups do clear with full grey parses already.
If you play well, you get rewarded with a faster clear. Play like you don't care and it will take longer. Simple as that. What you want is some Hello Kitty everyone wins nonsense .
People adapt to changes. Some faster, some slower. That's just how life works.

Also the whole pf thing just yells of entitlement. They make the party, they can decide what criteria they want. If you want to join a party for your first clear but none are up, make one. Others who are also in the same boat as you are also just waiting for someone else to make a party first.
Just because you decided to not run it when it was brand new content doesn't mean you're entitled to being carried by those who did it.

I didn't even check but I'm fairly confident others told you the exact same thing.
I still read your post and just hear a small voice in my head being all like "WAH WAH WAH I'M RIGHT! WHY CAN'T THEY SEE THAT? WAH!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Renathras]

Your entire argument is based around "But what about bad people???".

No it's not.

That is disingenuous, a straw man, AND a lie.

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Also: For a person that says "just ignore the hecklers", you do a lot of heckling. Have you ever considered you may be part of the problem?

And I also see you didn't answer the question of why I should shut up while other people should be allowed to post their thoughts...other than just insulting me, lying about (and also insulting) my arguments, and avoiding the question, that is.

[Thurmnmurmn]

No it's not.

That is disingenuous, a straw man, AND a lie.

Maybe not the entire part. but it is something you're arguing for none the less.

[Renathras]

Maybe not the entire part. but it is something you're arguing for none the less.

No I'm not.

That's like saying the people arguing for more complex DPS are all arguing for elitists to be the only one able to clear content and to be able to wave their e-peens around at their "lessers".

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Which wouldn't (at least, I don't think it would) be a fair assessment of their views, which is why I avoid doing it. I argue in good faith, which is why I TRY to stick to the arguments people are making, not self-undertaken assessments of what their motivations are, mental state is, personal skill level is, or what they MUST be "secretly" arguing for, either explicitly or implicitly. (Though I will call out repeated insulting offenders, the goal is to ATTEMPT to get them to stop doing it over time. Not that it works often, but hey, you never know...)

[Thurmnmurmn]

No I'm not.

That's like saying the people arguing for more complex DPS are all arguing for elitists to be the only one able to clear content and to be able to wave their e-peens around at their "lessers".

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Which wouldn't (at least, I don't think it would) be a fair assessment of their views, which is why I avoid doing it. I argue in good faith, which is why I TRY to stick to the arguments people are making, not self-undertaken assessments of what their motivations are, mental state is, personal skill level is, or what they MUST be "secretly" arguing for, either explicitly or implicitly. (Though I will call out repeated insulting offenders, the goal is to ATTEMPT to get them to stop doing it over time. Not that it works often, but hey, you never know...)

Isn't the whole point of you wanting to keep WHM the same is so you can have a healer with the easier rotation (if you even wanna call it a rotation) that people got used to already? And you also argued that they should dish out the same dps as other healer jobs who would have a more difficult rotation.
If that's not advocating for bad players, I don't know what is.

[IDontPetLalas]

No it's not.

That is disingenuous, a straw man, AND a lie.

EDIT:

Also: For a person that says "just ignore the hecklers", you do a lot of heckling. Have you ever considered you may be part of the problem?

And I also see you didn't answer the question of why I should shut up while other people should be allowed to post their thoughts...other than just insulting me, lying about (and also insulting) my arguments, and avoiding the question, that is.

Just going to add one of your recent gems. Did you ever hear the old saying about "people in glass houses not throwing stones" ?

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6383695