(Large Housing Problem) 177 Bids on One House

[Jojoya]

You worked for it, and others have also put in the same amount of effort I’m sure, but you have it because - in the end - RNG.

I think that this thought could use a slight correction.

For many, it's not just RNG that got them what they want. It was also being willing to go to where the plots were available instead of insisting that the plots should be brought to them.

I don't have a large on Marilith because of luck. I have a large on Marilith because I chose to transfer an alt to where the large houses were available. There were no competitors for the plot I won.

Not know where Stormpeaks has all of their houses, especially any large, it's hard to say what the truth of their specific situation is. Being on Sagittarius, they may have moved there when the world opened and likewise got theirs without competition there due to the low population when housing opened.

Is luck a factor on the worlds where housing has already filled up and the population is greater than the number of plots? Yes. But planning and putting in that little bit of extra effort to take advantage of an opportunity can also play a factor.

If the opportunity was there for you (and it was there for all NA players a year ago) but you chose not to take advantage of it, that was your decision. Don't be dismissive of those who did take advantage of opportunity to get what they wanted just because you didn't choose to do likewise.

[Nepentha]

Not when they're purported as truth while being spoken from a place of pure bias they're not, given that the individual already owns said property they're telling everyone else to deal with not having and they benefit from its scarcity.

As I said, there's a difference between being able to speak your opinion and it actually holding weight.



But they lucked out, affecting their perception. Not quite.



Ah, no. It's explicitly what they say and the reasoning and motives behind it.


No, it isn't. We all pay a sub for access to content we can play, the majority of which everyone can should they put in the time and energy to acquire the resources and ability to do so - apart from housing, which can gate someone off indefinitely regardless of what they have or do.


This is a perception, founded on a broken housing system they have continuously tried to fix on the cheap as the game has expanded but to no avail, and are now looking at more extensive measures to do so that further counters this point of view.

Pointing out prejudices you've already admitted to isn't victim-blaming, and you leave yourself open to criticism when you try to advertise what you have to say as fact.

But it is truth? Large houses are a luxury, that is the way SE set it up at the start of this. Will they change it? I hope so. It sounds like they're considering changing the interior size at the very least. Good news as far as I'm concerned.

But all these weird mental gymnastics are just smoke and mirrors to disguise the tone policing going on here. And, it doesn't change the fact that /right now/ large houses are a luxury. SE did not intend for everyone to have one, or else all houses would have been large from the get go at patch 2.1 and there would be no smalls or mediums.

And Stormpeaks is perfectly welcome to state that. Very strange that you can't seem to just get past it. You don't have to agree.

[Stormpeaks]

But it is truth? Large houses are a luxury, that is the way SE set it up at the start of this. Will they change it? I hope so. It sounds like they're considering changing the interior size at the very least. Good news as far as I'm concerned.

But all these weird mental gymnastics are just smoke and mirrors to disguise the tone policing going on here. And, it doesn't change the fact that /right now/ large houses are a luxury. SE did not intend for everyone to have one, or else all houses would have been large from the get go at patch 2.1 and there would be no smalls or mediums.

And Stormpeaks is perfectly welcome to state that. Very strange that you can't seem to just get past it. You don't have to agree.

That's what I've been trying to make them understand since the beginning really, I have said multiple times in this thread alone that larges ARE a luxury, because they just are, it is just what it is and is pure fact, if a person denies it, they are in denial, they are extremely limited, they are scarce and they are exactly a luxury, instead of accepting that, they are attacking me because I got a large and I "lucked out", and I'm just like "really ?", basically according to that person, the second I claimed my large, I lost any right to an opinion about housing in general and the scarcity of it or the housing system, and it's wrong on so many levels.

I think that this thought could use a slight correction.

For many, it's not just RNG that got them what they want. It was also being willing to go to where the plots were available instead of insisting that the plots should be brought to them.

I don't have a large on Marilith because of luck. I have a large on Marilith because I chose to transfer an alt to where the large houses were available. There were no competitors for the plot I won.

Not know where Stormpeaks has all of their houses, especially any large, it's hard to say what the truth of their specific situation is. Being on Sagittarius, they may have moved there when the world opened and likewise got theirs without competition there due to the low population when housing opened.

Is luck a factor on the worlds where housing has already filled up and the population is greater than the number of plots? Yes. But planning and putting in that little bit of extra effort to take advantage of an opportunity can also play a factor.

If the opportunity was there for you (and it was there for all NA players a year ago) but you chose not to take advantage of it, that was your decision. Don't be dismissive of those who did take advantage of opportunity to get what they wanted just because you didn't choose to do likewise.

I agree with this as well, people refused to move to Dynamis, a lot of them, because they would lose their friends, FC's or whatever else, or even for some small houses that they have worked for, they missed on that chance, but a lot of people did and got their dream plots on Dynamis and are now very happy with it, people didnt take the chance, period, and now they are stuck in an infinite bidding process of constant losses, but the reality is, it was their decision, if they really wanted a house, they could have moved, there are a lot of ways to stay in contact with FC's and friends if you care about housing, DC travel being the biggest, discord and other communication apps, but DC travel is a thing, there wasnt really any excuse to not move if you REALLY wanted a large house.

[Lunaxia]

But it is truth? Large houses are a luxury, that is the way SE set it up at the start of this. Will they change it? I hope so. It sounds like they're considering changing the interior size at the very least. Good news as far as I'm concerned.

But all these weird mental gymnastics are just smoke and mirrors to disguise the tone policing going on here. And, it doesn't change the fact that /right now/ large houses are a luxury. SE did not intend for everyone to have one, or else all houses would have been large from the get go at patch 2.1 and there would be no smalls or mediums.

And Stormpeaks is perfectly welcome to state that. Very strange that you can't seem to just get past it. You don't have to agree.

Houses were initially insanely expensive and FC only. They were never intended as a luxury item but a reward that few actually managed to obtain, so scarcity or luxury were never intended as factors. It's been fundamentally flawed from the beginning, and it only snowballed the more they advanced the housing system as a means of actual gameplay. It's nothing to do with tone policing, I don't know why I have to keep explaining that. When you say something is unequivocally true, expect to get challenged on it, particularly when there's so much behind it that suggests your view is flawed and you're speaking from a place of self-interest than anything else. Anyone can say anything they like, but it doesn't always mean anything and you will come up against criticism for it sooner or later.

[AlexiaD]

Houses were initially insanely expensive and FC only. They were never intended as a luxury item but a reward that few actually managed to obtain, so scarcity or luxury were never intended as factors. It's been fundamentally flawed from the beginning, and it only snowballed the more they advanced the housing system as a means of actual gameplay. It's nothing to do with tone policing, I don't know why I have to keep explaining that. When you say something is unequivocally true, expect to get challenged on it, particularly when there's so much behind it that suggests your view is flawed and you're speaking from a place of self-interest than anything else. Anyone can say anything they like, but it doesn't always mean anything and you will come up against criticism for it sooner or later.

Since I hit the post limit (thanks SE for the quota of posts per day, really, it's 2023...), I am responding to you here, I am Stormpeaks just for clarification.

I thought I was done but I guess I am not, because I have to remind you yet again.

I had this vision of large houses from the minute I saw the first house in the game when I visited my first housing ward, I saw all the small houses, the medium houses, and the very few larges houses, and I told to myself while looking at larges "this is something not a lot of people get".

Me having a large house did not change my opinion whatsoever, I have always had that opinion, and always will. There is no flaw in my judgement because I have been saying the exact same thing since the minute I saw the first large in this game.

[Nepentha]

Houses were initially insanely expensive and FC only. They were never intended as a luxury item but a reward that few actually managed to obtain, so scarcity or luxury were never intended as factors. It's been fundamentally flawed from the beginning, and it only snowballed the more they advanced the housing system as a means of actual gameplay. It's nothing to do with tone policing, I don't know why I have to keep explaining that. When you say something is unequivocally true, expect to get challenged on it, particularly when there's so much behind it that suggests your view is flawed and you're speaking from a place of self-interest than anything else. Anyone can say anything they like, but it doesn't always mean anything and you will come up against criticism for it sooner or later.

Insanely expensive... but not a luxury.

And is everyone who disagrees with you biased and wrong just because you say so? Are you... possibly not seeing your own biases going on here?

[Lunaxia]

Me having a large house did not change my opinion whatsoever, I have always had that opinion, and always will. There is no flaw in my judgement because I have been saying the exact same thing since the minute I saw the first large in this game.

Cool! But that only illustrates how you're still benefitting from the way things are because it falls in line with your desired, slightly warped perception of housing, which very much does affect the validity of the opinion that you're trying to put across as being basic truth.

Insanely expensive... but not a luxury.

It was something designed to be worked towards as a community, not a privilege based on how lucky you get, which is what I said before - you can get pretty much what you want from the game, so long as you put in the time and energy to work towards it.

And is everyone who disagrees with you biased and wrong just because you say so?

No, just people who have large houses and put across their own individual perceptions of housing as fact and a reason to deter other people being able to get the same thing after already admitting they like having a large in the current system because it feels like a luxury.

[AlexiaD]

It was something designed to be worked towards as a community, not a privilege based on how lucky you get, which is what I said before - you can get pretty much what you want from the game, so long as you put in the time and energy to work towards it.



No, just people who have large houses and put across their own individual perceptions of housing as fact and a reason to deter other people being able to get the same thing after already admitting they like having a large in the current system because it feels like a luxury.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Is luck a factor on the worlds where housing has already filled up and the population is greater than the number of plots? Yes. But planning and putting in that little bit of extra effort to take advantage of an opportunity can also play a factor.

If the opportunity was there for you (and it was there for all NA players a year ago) but you chose not to take advantage of it, that was your decision. Don't be dismissive of those who did take advantage of opportunity to get what they wanted just because you didn't choose to do likewise.

I guess I should clarify, that applies to any plot with more than one bidder, or clicker back in the days of placard clicking. The result of either system is RNG. As far as the server transfer goes, not everyone was around when Dynamis opened, but yes I remember all those who didn’t want to move. (Also add into that the 6 extra wards opened at the same time though, so those with established ties to their servers took a chance by staying and bidding on those.) If we had an instanced system they wouldn’t have to move, which was my point coming into the thread that instanced could also solve the problem of people not getting the size they want, let alone not being able to get a house at all.

Personally I ended up getting a small, which is the size I prefer. I just want the housing system improved so everyone can get what they want and have the same options.

[Lunaxia]

Pretty much the same response I get whenever I inevitably see your name at the top of any given thread with the same needlessly self-centered and contrarian takes.