(Large Housing Problem) 177 Bids on One House

[Khryseis_Astra]

I like how not only you but Khrys as well just imply that I have gotten a large for free, as if I have not worked for it so somehow I would not understand the situation

a bit wild but ok

You worked for it, and others have also put in the same amount of effort I’m sure, but you have it because - in the end - RNG. Whether it was timers, placard clicking or lotto, the winner is random chance. It’s not a skill issue, as that other poster is fond of saying. Other people have put in work too, probably just as much, but they go without. The difference is I think that should change so everyone gets to have the same housing experience, while you’re fine with the status quo because you were lucky enough to get what you wanted. Whether you mean it that way or not, it comes across as dismissive and insensitive. It’s easy to say “larges are a luxury” when your efforts paid off and you’re sitting on one., rather than being one of the many who tries every time one comes up and loses.

[Lunaxia]

And how exactly does me having a large house change ANYTHING to my opinion on it ?

Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

[Stormpeaks]

Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

Once again, I already thought it was a luxury BEFORE I got it, I always thought larges were a luxury, when I started the game and I saw large houses, I thought to myself "damn this is a thing not many players get and I hope I'll get one one day"

stop with this "yeah you got one so what you say is invalid"

just stop it lol, I did the same process as everybody else, the exact same, me succeeding does not change ANYTHING.

You worked for it, and others have also put in the same amount of effort I’m sure, but you have it because - in the end - RNG. Whether it was timers, placard clicking or lotto, the winner is random chance. It’s not a skill issue, as that other poster is fond of saying. Other people have put in work too, probably just as much, but they go without. The difference is I think that should change so everyone gets to have the same housing experience, while you’re fine with the status quo because you were lucky enough to get what you wanted. Whether you mean it that way or not, it comes across as dismissive and insensitive. It’s easy to say “larges are a luxury” when your efforts paid off and you’re sitting on one., rather than being one of the many who tries every time one comes up and loses.

I lost a lot too.

[Nepentha]

Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way? They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted. Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point. I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter.

Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury. I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.) Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

[Lunaxia]

Once again, I already thought it was a luxury BEFORE I got it, I always thought larges were a luxury, when I started the game and I saw large houses, I thought to myself "damn this is a thing not many players get and I hope I'll get one one day"

Cool! But that only illustrates how you're still benefitting from the way things are because it falls in line with your desired, slightly warped perception of housing, which very much does affect the validity of the opinion that you're trying to put across as being basic truth.

just stop it lol, I did the same process as everybody else, the exact same, me succeeding does not change ANYTHING.

It does, though, and your time-honored way of dealing with arguments by doubling down on something with "because I say so" doesn't actually change anything, lol.

[Stormpeaks]

Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way? They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted. Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point. I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter.

Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury. I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.) Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

Thank you.

[Lunaxia]

Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way?

Uh, they got a large.

They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted.

No, they did what everyone else has to do, only they managed to luck out.

Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point.

Technically it can, but it doesn't mean it will, and it won't, for a large number of people, purely down to being lucky or unlucky.

I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter. Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury.

It changes just how much merit there is to their saying "this is how things are, accept it" when the problem no longer affects them and actually has the added benefit of pandering to their vanity.

I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.

Imagine taking this view with literally any other part of the game. "Healers suck? Roles are homogenised? Well, that's the way they implemented it, I guess!" It's only by speaking up that they address these issues, and why we seem to be getting a start on dealing with the housing supply problem so far.

Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

Alternatively, they could... fix the size of the wards.

[Stormpeaks]

Uh, they got a large.



No, they did what everyone else has to do, only they managed to luck out.



Technically it can, but it doesn't mean it will, and it won't, for a large number of people, purely down to being lucky or unlucky.



It changes just how much merit there is to their saying "this is how things are, accept it" when the problem no longer affects them and actually has the added benefit of pandering to their vanity.



Imagine taking this view with literally any other part of the game. "Healers suck? Roles are homogenised? Well, that's the way they implemented it, I guess!" It's only by speaking up that they address these issues, and why we seem to be getting a start on dealing with the housing supply problem so far.



Alternatively, they could... fix the size of the wards.

I love how this is literally blaming me for what I worked towards and eventually managed to get, that is actually exactly what you're doing, but I am done talking with you at this point, there is no winning with someone so close minded.

Have a good one.

[Nepentha]

Uh, they got a large.

So? Who cares if they got a large? Did they cheat to get it? No? Then their opinions on the matter are still valid.

No, they did what everyone else has to do, only they managed to luck out.

My point exactly. They followed the same rules as everyone else. Opinion still valid.

Technically it can, but it doesn't mean it will, and it won't, for a large number of people, purely down to being lucky or unlucky.

But, still the same system Stormpeaks participated in.

It changes just how much merit there is to their saying "this is how things are, accept it" when the problem no longer affects them and actually has the added benefit of pandering to their vanity.

Ah, now I see. You take exception to their tone.

Imagine taking this view with literally any other part of the game. "Healers suck? Roles are homogenised? Well, that's the way they implemented it, I guess!" It's only by speaking up that they address these issues, and why we seem to be getting a start on dealing with the housing supply problem so far.

I really wish people would stop comparing housing to combat roles. Totally different animal there. Apples and oranges. At any rate, I've already figured out it's not that Stormpeaks is wrong that's the issue, it's that you don't like how they said it.

Alternatively, they could... fix the size of the wards.

On this we agree. But for the time being, and really since housing was introduced in patch 2.1, Stormpeaks is right. Large houses are a luxury, not everyone is meant to have one. You don't have to like it, but they are correct in that assessment.

[Lunaxia]

So? Who cares if they got a large? Did they cheat to get it? No? Then their opinions on the matter are still valid.

Not when they're purported as truth while being spoken from a place of pure bias they're not, given that the individual already owns said property they're telling everyone else to deal with not having and they benefit from its scarcity.

As I said, there's a difference between being able to speak your opinion and it actually holding weight.

My point exactly. They followed the same rules as everyone else. Opinion still valid.

But they lucked out, affecting their perception. Not quite.

Ah, now I see. You take exception to their tone.

Ah, no. It's explicitly what they say and the reasoning and motives behind it.

I really wish people would stop comparing housing to combat roles. Totally different animal there. Apples and oranges.

No, it isn't. We all pay a sub for access to content we can play, the majority of which everyone can should they put in the time and energy to acquire the resources and ability to do so - apart from housing, which can gate someone off indefinitely regardless of what they have or do.

On this we agree. But for the time being, and really since housing was introduced in patch 2.1, Stormpeaks is right. Large houses are a luxury, not everyone is meant to have one. You don't have to like it, but they are correct in that assessment.

This is a perception, founded on a broken housing system they have continuously tried to fix on the cheap as the game has expanded but to no avail, and are now looking at more extensive measures to do so that further counters this point of view.

I love how this is literally blaming me for what I worked towards and eventually managed to get, that is actually exactly what you're doing, but I am done talking with you at this point, there is no winning with someone so close minded.

Have a good one.

Pointing out prejudices you've already admitted to isn't victim-blaming, and you leave yourself open to criticism when you try to advertise what you have to say as fact.