(Large Housing Problem) 177 Bids on One House

[Reinha]

I think that this thought could use a slight correction.

For many, it's not just RNG that got them what they want. It was also being willing to go to where the plots were available instead of insisting that the plots should be brought to them.

Agreed. It was my decisions and effort that got me my mansion. It would be incorrect to say all other people put in as much effort, because they didn't and still don't.

I chose to play on my server. I chose to bid in a harder-to-access district. I leveled alts so they could bid in Ishgard and collected the Gil to afford those bids. I chose to leave my former, nice and quiet, fc so that I could bid in fc wards and use the house should my alts win. I've continuously subscribed and was therefore able to take advantage of the opportunity when they changed a ton of wards from fc wards to private wards and also added new wards.

Actual computer-RNG didn't play a part at all because I got my mansion after being the only one to place bids on it.

Since I didn't luck out, maybe my opinion holds weight? If large houses were meant for everyone there wouldn't be only 3 of them per ward.

[Lunaxia]

Agreed. It was my decisions and effort that got me my mansion. It would be incorrect to say all other people put in as much effort, because they didn't and still don't.

I'm sorry, do you genuinely think you're one of the only people who has levelled multiple alts and raised gil across the board for a shot at their preferred housing? You don't think people have been doing the same thing for years, especially when Empyreum dropped? Some of you really do think highly of yourselves, don't you?

And yes, you still lucked out; you even point out yourself you took advantage of being around at the right time when the housing switch happened and new wards were added, and you were fortunate not to have any other bids on it.

Pushing the blame on to players for not sacrificing what actually makes the game meaningful for them to drop everything and move to a smaller server where you think they might have a shot isn't a practical argument, either. Competition would still be rife, supply would still be rapidly eaten up and the end result would be exactly the same. The game's population and how housing works is in a drastically different place than it was ten years ago, and the game in general has been sagging under the weight of its flawed and outdated infrastructure for years now. The blame lies squarely with the devs for allowing the problem to compound the way it has.

And again, larges were 3 per ward because they were FC only, ridiculously expensive and it was predicted that very few players would even shoot for them because of the immense amount of effort/ money required for what was effectively a glorified gil sink at the time with very little to them. This weird "luxury" perception is something players assigned a broken system to make themselves feel special because they have something else other players don't, and this thread more than illustrates that that's the crux of the matter for the majority of people arguing against this to begin with.

[Stormpeaks]

I'm sorry, do you genuinely think you're one of the only people who has levelled multiple alts and raised gil across the board for a shot at their preferred housing? You don't think people have been doing the same thing for years, especially when Empyreum dropped? Some of you really do think highly of yourselves, don't you?

And yes, you still lucked out; you even point out yourself you took advantage of being around at the right time when the housing switch happened and new wards were added, and you were fortunate not to have any other bids on it.

Pushing the blame on to players for not sacrificing what actually makes the game meaningful for them to drop everything and move to a smaller server where you think they might have a shot isn't a practical argument, either. Competition would still be rife, supply would still be rapidly eaten up and the end result would be exactly the same. The game's population and how housing works is in a drastically different place than it was ten years ago, and the game in general has been sagging under the weight of its flawed and outdated infrastructure for years now. The blame lies squarely with the devs for allowing the problem to compound the way it has.

And again, larges were 3 per ward because they were FC only, ridiculously expensive and it was predicted that very few players would even shoot for them because of the immense amount of effort/ money required for what was effectively a glorified gil sink at the time with very little to them. This weird "luxury" perception is something players assigned a broken system to make themselves feel special because they have something else other players don't, and this thread more than illustrates that that's the crux of the matter for the majority of people arguing against this to begin with.

People who put in more effort got what they worked towards

more news at 11

[Reinha]

I'm sorry, do you genuinely think you're one of the only people who has levelled multiple alts and raised gil across the board for a shot at their preferred housing?

You forgot the other steps I mentioned. Had a person taken all of them, they would have a mansion.

And yes, you still lucked out; you even point out yourself you took advantage of being around at the right time when the housing switch happened and new wards were added, and you were fortunate not to have any other bids on it.

Choosing to subscribe for years without breaks isn't luck. You started in 2015 like me and had the same opportunity which you didn't seize. The bids were all mine because I placed them early and I placed enough so that other large plots had fewer bids. That's not luck, but strategy. Obviously there are players who only started playing after 6.3, however new players have the option to wait until the next ward release just like I waited.

And again, larges were 3 per ward because they were FC only, ridiculously expensive and it was predicted that very few players would even shoot for them because of the immense amount of effort/ money required for what was effectively a glorified gil sink at the time with very little to them.

Isgard housing was released in Endwalker and it still had 3 larges per ward despite the fact that many players can now afford them, so mansions being reserved for the few is intended by the developers.

[Lunaxia]

Choosing to subscribe for years without breaks isn't luck. You started in 2015 like me and had the same opportunity which you didn't seize. The bids were all mine because I placed them early and I placed enough so that other large plots had fewer bids. That's not luck, but strategy. Obviously there are players who only started playing after 6.3, however new players have the option to wait until the next ward release just like I waited.

A fairly common practice that is still predicated on the luck of it succeeding and actually panning out the way you hoped, which for many people it unfortunately doesn't, down to something as small as a single bid. And being subscribed at the ideal time is, again, a matter of circumstances being in your favor, that leaves newer players out in the cold and punishes those who couldn't be there. Do you actually think "waiting several years" and counting on life not screwing you out of the opportunity to be around is an adequate method of even hoping to obtain a house?

And I'm not talking about myself.

Isgard housing was released in Endwalker and it still had 3 larges per ward despite the fact that many players can now afford them, so mansions being reserved for the few is intended by the developers.

Changing the implementation at that point would have caused an absolute uproar, especially when Ishgard was already so at risk of being dangerously overcrowded because of the demand since Heavensward that they chose then to put a lottery system in place. They would have been foolhardy to actively promote further inequality in housing and between the various divisions when there's enough angst surrounding the issue already.

People who put in more effort get what they worked towards

more news at 11

We're throwing basic reading comprehension out the window with logic too, I guess.

EDIT: Zero for two. If you're desperately trying to make this about me and constructing imaginary stories because you've run out of points to make, I think we're done here.

[Stormpeaks]

A fairly common practice that is still predicated on the luck of it succeeding and actually panning out the way you hoped, which for many people it unfortunately doesn't, down to something as small as a single bid. And being subscribed at the ideal time is, again, a matter of circumstances being in your favor, that leaves newer players out in the cold and punishes those who couldn't be there. Do you actually think "waiting several years" and counting on life not screwing you out of the opportunity to be around is an adequate method of even hoping to obtain a house?

And I'm not talking about myself.



Changing the implementation at that point would have caused an absolute uproar, especially when Ishgard was already so at risk of being dangerously overcrowded because of the demand since Heavensward that they chose then to put a lottery system in place. They would have been foolhardy to actively promote further inequality in housing and between the various divisions when there's enough angst surrounding the issue already.



We're throwing basic reading comprehension out the window with logic too, I guess.

You're literally on light which is the easiest way to get larges because there arent that many players, you're complaining from a light standpoint ? Try crystal, primal or Aether, and say that again.

You not managing to get a large on light is 100% on you, especially since 2015.

The problem is you.

Try harder.

[Jojoya]

You forgot the other steps I mentioned. Had a person taken all of them, they would have a mansion.



Choosing to subscribe for years without breaks isn't luck. You started in 2015 like me and had the same opportunity which you didn't seize. The bids were all mine because I placed them early and I placed enough so that other large plots had fewer bids. That's not luck, but strategy. Obviously there are players who only started playing after 6.3, however new players have the option to wait until the next ward release just like I waited.



Isgard housing was released in Endwalker and it still had 3 larges per ward despite the fact that many players can now afford them, so mansions being reserved for the few is intended by the developers.

Or they're simply following a formula they created for ward design because it's convenient or because there's something in the game's coding that makes it difficult to deviate from the 3-7-20.

That they're working on Housing Mirage to potentially allow small plot owners to have a large interior shows that their thinking has changed in the decade since housing was first added to the game. They may no longer feel that it's in the game's best interests to have such limitations though starting a new housing system from scratch would be very expensive. Housing Mirage becomes a compromise.

To me it's beyond crazy that we go to such lengths to attack each other over opinions about housing design when it's ultimately up to SE. They set the rules. The vast majority of players, even the multiple house owners, are playing within the rules.

There are changes coming, I'm guessing in 7.1. Let's see what happens.