(Large Housing Problem) 177 Bids on One House

[SanadaX]

Supposedly they're working on a new system ("Housing Mirage") that would allow players to select the size of their house interior if they get it to work. That would help make the small plots more desirable if it happens.

Source is the live patch note reading for 6.5 but it's JP language only - the information was being shared by a few unofficial translations. Perhaps they'll share more info (or at least confirm what was said) at the EU FanFest this weekend.

This would be amazing. On the other hand. Homeowners stay winning. The "black market" for homes would go through the fucking roof for something like this implemented.

[Jojoya]

This would be amazing. On the other hand. Homeowners stay winning. The "black market" for homes would go through the fucking roof for something like this implemented.

Why do you think the black market would increase instead of decrease? It would make every house a large for the purposes of most players. Increase to supply equals less need to rely on illicit sources.

The black market no longer works for personal houses thanks to the lottery. It only works on FC houses since FC Master can be transferred after 30 days. Most players don't want to go the FC route to get a house for personal use.

Most multiple house owners also aren't after additional houses to decorate. They're after workshops for gil farming. A small interior works better for workshops - smaller plot/house means lower starting costs and the sooner the workshop will become profitable.

[MAJRIS]

Why do you think the black market would increase instead of decrease?

Because it will make every S equally valuable as M and L before.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ousing_market/

[Jojoya]

Because it will make every S equally valuable as M and L before.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ousing_market/

You realize that reddit post is 2 years old and predates the lottery, I hope.

There's also a good chance that the source of the screenshot was a scammer and not someone genuinely trying to resell.

The situation now is not what it was then. Supply of plots has increased by more than 50% in the past 2 years. The black market has to go through the lottery like every other player to try to get a plot and the ordinary player is far more likely to end up the winner.

Scarcity is what creates a black market. Houses with medium and large interiors will no longer be scarce. The only thing worth the black market's time would be the more desirable plot locations and they're going to have a hard time winning them in the lottery against all the players trying for those same plots.

[Veritas-Ancora]

Because it will make every S equally valuable as M and L before.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ousing_market/

At least it would make the market more expansive than ever before.

I don't buy into this doom-and-gloom scenario. More opportunities to own a mansion with existing homes means everyone with a home aren't bidding on a mansion any more.

[SanadaX]

Why do you think the black market would increase instead of decrease? It would make every house a large for the purposes of most players. Increase to supply equals less need to rely on illicit sources.

The black market no longer works for personal houses thanks to the lottery. It only works on FC houses since FC Master can be transferred after 30 days. Most players don't want to go the FC route to get a house for personal use.

Most multiple house owners also aren't after additional houses to decorate. They're after workshops for gil farming. A small interior works better for workshops - smaller plot/house means lower starting costs and the sooner the workshop will become profitable.

"It would make every house a LARGE for the purposes of MOST players"

The black markets still exists due to most people willing to pay ANY amount after losing COUNTLESS lotteries.

The fact that a small could potentially have a large interior is beyond wild and honestly pretty cozy.

If this "housing mirage" is any close to what people are thinking then yes the prices would skyrocket.

People are always looking to upgrade from small -->Medium --> Large. Now in theory if you no longer needed to (unless you needed extierior) then you're looking at everyone who owns Anything inbetween holding onto their houses way harder.

Again this housing mirage could be a complete bust... if not.... Get ready for the Salt Mines to go even deeper.

[Jojoya]

"It would make every house a LARGE for the purposes of MOST players"

The black markets still exists due to most people willing to pay ANY amount after losing COUNTLESS lotteries.

The fact that a small could potentially have a large interior is beyond wild and honestly pretty cozy.

If this "housing mirage" is any close to what people are thinking then yes the prices would skyrocket.

People are always looking to upgrade from small -->Medium --> Large. Now in theory if you no longer needed to (unless you needed extierior) then you're looking at everyone who owns Anything inbetween holding onto their houses way harder.

Again this housing mirage could be a complete bust... if not.... Get ready for the Salt Mines to go even deeper.

Who is still losing lotteries to get their first house of any size? Not many players from looking the entry numbers on small plots in the lotteries. Someone else from Sargatanas was saying in another thread that there are several smalls available there now and some don't get bids.

The numbers are large on the mediums and larges because most of the entries are coming from players who already own (usually a small) but want to upgrade to the medium or large.

If Housing Mirage is implemented, what happens? Most of those owners who were trying to relocate lose interest in relocating because now they have that medium or large interior they were after. Demand goes down.

What drives a black market? Scarcity of a commodity that is in high demand. Lower demand does not improve conditions for the black market.

Exactly how do you think the black market is going to get a hold of a bunch of houses to sell when they have to fight the lottery and the only way to sell them if they win is if they are FC houses?

Who do you think they're going to sell to when anyone willing to go the solo FC route to get a house has probably already done so?

The black market will continue to be able to deal in the prime plots that players aggressively go after - if they're able to win those plots in the lottery competing against all the FCs trying to get those same plots. They're going to lose is the market from players who have been trying to relocate to upgrade interior size because that will no longer be necessary.

Trust me. Housing Mirage will not be a boon for the black market because the bulk of the demand they were serving will dry up overnight.

As for players holding onto their houses "way harder", there's already a scarcity of voluntary relinquishment. Housing Mirage is not going to make anyone hold onto their house any "harder" than they already are.

But you're right that the Salt Mines will be going deeper - among those who sell on the black market and will have few buyers looking for their services.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

Why do you think the black market would increase instead of decrease? It would make every house a large for the purposes of most players. Increase to supply equals less need to rely on illicit sources.

The black market no longer works for personal houses thanks to the lottery. It only works on FC houses since FC Master can be transferred after 30 days. Most players don't want to go the FC route to get a house for personal use.

Most multiple house owners also aren't after additional houses to decorate. They're after workshops for gil farming. A small interior works better for workshops - smaller plot/house means lower starting costs and the sooner the workshop will become profitable.

Actually some multiple owners actually do decorate multiple homes for the sake of photo studios; or multiple intricate set builds or RP locales. Also while the gil to purchase a small is less; less garden plots is a bit annoying and really niether "start" any faster; or are you referring to the fact that you can easily pick up a small generally long before a large?

As for housing mirage I looked at the translations and am still curious what it entails. I strongly suspect the Mirage system is more to manipulate the interior but might not actually "make" the house the same on the inside. Which would raise ire if you could make your small look like a large inside.....with 200 items.....I could imagine the rage.

On the flip side if you pay the difference for a Small to a large (say 47m) then the smalls would complain that they should not pay for a large; the large owners will complain they had to put in more effort to get a large..

Further to flip the Large owners would ask why they went through the trouble they did to acquire their large.

I have a icky feeling that housing mirage is going to give us "interior" for houses - similar to how we currently can add a alphine facing to a house to change its functions outside (like a bath added) - Honestly if You could turn a small inside into a simple large retangle that you didn't have to cover the walls and pillars with; you would gain items and thus "space" there anyways.

[Rinoa_353]

As the other have said, mansions are made to be exclusive atm but that could change in the future, especially once PS4 support is dropped in 8.0 and allow major changes to occur such as smalls and mediums being able to be upgraded to a mansion (speculating at this point). For now, the best chance to win a mansion is to try during ward expansions or when new worlds open such as the four remaining worlds of Dynamis is opened once XBOX players join next Spring. For now, you just have to keep trying and hope you win, I won my current plot in Shiro back in May, so it's possible to win out of many people.

[Pablomaldito]

Could be worse
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...699-Go-Balmung

That was a small lol