(Large Housing Problem) 177 Bids on One House

[Toutatis]

I think it is too much of a storm in a glas of water... FFXIV is very little about housing and just having any house or apartment(s) there is no real benefit of it other than 3 gardenplots on a large house.

With 729k plots across the different servers, I wouldn't call that"very little". I like having houses and decorating them and from the lottery numbers, I am far from being the only one.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Because it comes off as “I got mine, so everything is just fine the way it is.” I know some people see housing as some sort of prestige system, even though it’s ALL RNG, and the scarcity doesn’t help that. But really, we’re all paying a sub here, we should all have the same access to content. Which is one big reason I’d like to see an instanced housing system. It’s the only real way to meet the demand, not only for a house in general on many servers, but also for the preferred size. And those in the wards with larges can still feel special while those who just want a bigger decorating space can be satisfied.

Maybe the new plan for the housing mirage will fulfill that need for a lot of people, so long as they don’t care if the inside of their house matches the outside. But it still doesn’t address the overall supply issue. A small exterior with a large interior is great, provided you can actually win a small in the first place!

[Lunaxia]

People really need to get out of the habit of "Well, you got X, so your opinions as a person are worthless, since you have X".

Uh, because being a Hyur or a Black Mage has nothing to do with your views on the current housing situation regarding large houses, whereas owning one very much does? Do I genuinely need to spell that out? Or the issues with self-interest, bias, or the basic inherent hypocrisy in telling someone to accept a faulty status quo that they do not actually have to deal with? You can share whatever opinion you like, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's worth the (virtual) paper it's written on, as devastating as that might be for some to hear.

Because it comes off as “I got mine, so everything is just fine the way it is.” I know some people see housing as some sort of prestige system, even though it’s ALL RNG, and the scarcity doesn’t help that. But really, we’re all paying a sub here, we should all have the same access to content.

This is quite literally what it comes down to, or worse, "I feel special for having something limited in supply, so it should stay that way." It's such a ridiculously selfish and boomer-like mentality to have, and there's no valid reason to protest or justify things the way they are. As you say, we're all in the same boat here, and it's a fault of the way housing has been implemented in the first place that it's a matter of luck who benefits, and it absolutely should be fixed.

These self-serving arguments attempting to disguise themselves as tremulous logic have grown so boring.

[Stormpeaks]

Uh, because being a Hyur or a Black Mage has nothing to do with your views on the current housing situation regarding large houses, whereas owning one very much does? Do I genuinely need to spell that out? Or the issues with self-interest, bias, or the basic inherent hypocrisy in telling someone to accept a faulty status quo that they do not actually have to deal with? You can share whatever opinion you like, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's worth the (virtual) paper it's written on, as devastating as that might be for some to hear.



This is quite literally what it comes down to, or worse, "I feel special for having something limited in supply, so it should stay that way." It's such a ridiculously selfish and boomer-like mentality to have, and there's no valid reason to protest or justify things the way they are. As you say, we're all in the same boat here, and it's a fault of the way housing has been implemented in the first place that it's a matter of luck who benefits, and it absolutely should be fixed.

These self-serving arguments attempting to disguise themselves as tremulous logic have grown so boring.

I like how not only you but Khrys as well just imply that I have gotten a large for free, as if I have not worked for it so somehow I would not understand the situation

a bit wild but ok

[Lunaxia]

I like how not only you but Khrys as well just imply that I have gotten a large for free, as if I have not worked for it so somehow I would not understand the situation

a bit wild but ok

Uh... nowhere did we imply that. The fact is that there are thousands just like you, who have the same basic ability and funds to get the housing they want, who have worked just as long, if not longer than you, and continue to work to try to obtain one, who do not deserve to be continuously screwed over over by a terrible housing system that should be accessible to everyone and badly needs fixing because you had the pure fortune of your attempt paying off.

[Stormpeaks]

Uh... nowhere did we imply that. The fact is that there are thousands just like you, who have the same basic ability and funds to get the housing they want, who have worked just as long, if not longer than you, and continue to work to try to obtain one, who do not deserve to be continuously screwed over over by a terrible housing system that should be accessible to everyone and badly needs fixing because you had the pure fortune of your attempt paying off.

And how exactly does me having a large house change ANYTHING to my opinion on it ? I had the exact same opinion before, and I'll always have that opinion, larges are a luxury, period, not everyone is meant to have one.

It's amazing how me reaching my goal of having a large suddenly invalidates any struggle I might have had to get such large, thus my opinion just becomes invalid

what the hell lol

[Neoyoshi]

This'll likely be a distant problem if the stuff they have their eyes set on work out the way they want. It's only a matter of time.

[Khryseis_Astra]

I like how not only you but Khrys as well just imply that I have gotten a large for free, as if I have not worked for it so somehow I would not understand the situation

a bit wild but ok

You worked for it, and others have also put in the same amount of effort I’m sure, but you have it because - in the end - RNG. Whether it was timers, placard clicking or lotto, the winner is random chance. It’s not a skill issue, as that other poster is fond of saying. Other people have put in work too, probably just as much, but they go without. The difference is I think that should change so everyone gets to have the same housing experience, while you’re fine with the status quo because you were lucky enough to get what you wanted. Whether you mean it that way or not, it comes across as dismissive and insensitive. It’s easy to say “larges are a luxury” when your efforts paid off and you’re sitting on one., rather than being one of the many who tries every time one comes up and loses.

[Jojoya]

You worked for it, and others have also put in the same amount of effort I’m sure, but you have it because - in the end - RNG.

I think that this thought could use a slight correction.

For many, it's not just RNG that got them what they want. It was also being willing to go to where the plots were available instead of insisting that the plots should be brought to them.

I don't have a large on Marilith because of luck. I have a large on Marilith because I chose to transfer an alt to where the large houses were available. There were no competitors for the plot I won.

Not know where Stormpeaks has all of their houses, especially any large, it's hard to say what the truth of their specific situation is. Being on Sagittarius, they may have moved there when the world opened and likewise got theirs without competition there due to the low population when housing opened.

Is luck a factor on the worlds where housing has already filled up and the population is greater than the number of plots? Yes. But planning and putting in that little bit of extra effort to take advantage of an opportunity can also play a factor.

If the opportunity was there for you (and it was there for all NA players a year ago) but you chose not to take advantage of it, that was your decision. Don't be dismissive of those who did take advantage of opportunity to get what they wanted just because you didn't choose to do likewise.

[Reinha]

I think that this thought could use a slight correction.

For many, it's not just RNG that got them what they want. It was also being willing to go to where the plots were available instead of insisting that the plots should be brought to them.

Agreed. It was my decisions and effort that got me my mansion. It would be incorrect to say all other people put in as much effort, because they didn't and still don't.

I chose to play on my server. I chose to bid in a harder-to-access district. I leveled alts so they could bid in Ishgard and collected the Gil to afford those bids. I chose to leave my former, nice and quiet, fc so that I could bid in fc wards and use the house should my alts win. I've continuously subscribed and was therefore able to take advantage of the opportunity when they changed a ton of wards from fc wards to private wards and also added new wards.

Actual computer-RNG didn't play a part at all because I got my mansion after being the only one to place bids on it.

Since I didn't luck out, maybe my opinion holds weight? If large houses were meant for everyone there wouldn't be only 3 of them per ward.