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  1. #41
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    VerdeLuck's Avatar
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    Ymir Bombullshale
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrysOCE View Post
    There is no sense of achievement which this relic
    This is entirely a you problem from my perspective. There is no difference in feelings of accomplishment for me between this relic and the ARR or the Shadowbringers relics. The main difference is those force me to do something boring or that I don't want to do to make progress on them, but I can choose to make my own fun with these new ones. I'm not boxed into having to do fate spam over and over whiel watching a movie because I'm bored. I'm not forced to run 180 instances of normal raids that don't even use half my kit because they're from previous expansions. If I want to run content and try to make progress on it I can.

    I don't see why there's such a problem with the new ones when there is the freedom to choose what you want to do to fulfil it. If you want to do it the "efficient", but boring way of spamming hunt trains over and over to get tomes quickly, no one is going to stop you, but you chose to meeet the criteria that way.
    This whole "earned reward" and "sense of achievement" just seems so weird, it's just being used to try to act like something that was never particularly hard should be harder just to satisfy a sense of rarity for what is by all intents and purposes, a casual catchup weapon that doubles as glam.
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  2. #42
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    Cassius Rex
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    This whole "earned reward" and "sense of achievement" just seems so weird, it's just being used to try to act like something that was never particularly hard should be harder just to satisfy a sense of rarity for what is by all intents and purposes, a casual catchup weapon that doubles as glam.
    The current weapon is a case of getting something for virtually nothing. The amount of effort you put into getting one is so low that even their present gimped state is honestly too strong. At least the crafted weapons require you to either make it yourself or shell out some gil. The relics presently equate to little more than "here's a kinda crappy functionally free weapon for otherwise useless tomestones you can accrue passively just by doing content you would have anyway."
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    This is entirely a you problem from my perspective. There is no difference in feelings of accomplishment for me between this relic and the ARR or the Shadowbringers relics. The main difference is those force me to do something boring or that I don't want to do to make progress on them, but I can choose to make my own fun with these new ones. I'm not boxed into having to do fate spam over and over whiel watching a movie because I'm bored. I'm not forced to run 180 instances of normal raids that don't even use half my kit because they're from previous expansions. If I want to run content and try to make progress on it I can.

    I don't see why there's such a problem with the new ones when there is the freedom to choose what you want to do to fulfil it. If you want to do it the "efficient", but boring way of spamming hunt trains over and over to get tomes quickly, no one is going to stop you, but you chose to meeet the criteria that way.
    This whole "earned reward" and "sense of achievement" just seems so weird, it's just being used to try to act like something that was never particularly hard should be harder just to satisfy a sense of rarity for what is by all intents and purposes, a casual catchup weapon that doubles as glam.
    It's the same in reverse. To us, you finding the content and relic grinds we enjoyed is a you problem. You not finding the accomplishment in those is a you problem. You finding it boring is a you problem.

    I don't give a rat's ass if they give people a tome option to get them, I care that it's the actual only method. You can have your method of acquisition and we can have ours.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zairava View Post

    I don't give a rat's ass if they give people a tome option to get them, I care that it's the actual only method. You can have your method of acquisition and we can have ours.
    Apparently you do because you keep saying it "means nothing" if people are allowed to use tomes or being able to pick the means to complete them.
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  5. #45
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    P0sitr0nic's Avatar
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    Y'leria Rhul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amenara View Post
    Or we can go back to relic weapons being optional side content and a decent time sink for players who want the glam item since that is really all relics are until you are syncing down to do ultimates.
    100% this.
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  6. #46
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    Damian Ravenhold
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zairava View Post
    It's the same in reverse. To us, you finding the content and relic grinds we enjoyed is a you problem. You not finding the accomplishment in those is a you problem. You finding it boring is a you problem.

    I don't give a rat's ass if they give people a tome option to get them, I care that it's the actual only method. You can have your method of acquisition and we can have ours.
    See this makes the most sense to me. Sometimes people just don't want to farm the content, which is fine. The problem is that if tomes are our only options then there is no community around the relic weapons. Say what you will about Eureka and Bozja but they created a pocket of the community where people were able to spend time together and hang out and make memories. Yeah maybe you'll get bored of doing DR over and over, but you'll get bored anyways doing lvl 90 dungeons over and over. And at least when you meet the same faces and get to chatting with them then you start to have a lot more fun. Oh you don't want to talk to people and just want the shiny weapons? Sure fine use the tomes then. Just remember that this is an MMO and it's not a crazy thing to have people play together to earn a reward
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  7. #47
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    Chrys Anthemum
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    This is entirely a you problem from my perspective. There is no difference in feelings of accomplishment for me between this relic and the ARR or the Shadowbringers relics. The main difference is those force me to do something boring or that I don't want to do to make progress on them, but I can choose to make my own fun with these new ones. I'm not boxed into having to do fate spam over and over whiel watching a movie because I'm bored. I'm not forced to run 180 instances of normal raids that don't even use half my kit because they're from previous expansions. If I want to run content and try to make progress on it I can.

    I don't see why there's such a problem with the new ones when there is the freedom to choose what you want to do to fulfil it. If you want to do it the "efficient", but boring way of spamming hunt trains over and over to get tomes quickly, no one is going to stop you, but you chose to meeet the criteria that way.
    This whole "earned reward" and "sense of achievement" just seems so weird, it's just being used to try to act like something that was never particularly hard should be harder just to satisfy a sense of rarity for what is by all intents and purposes, a casual catchup weapon that doubles as glam.
    It was never casual to begin with though? The steps themselves may not have been hard to do, but it still took a committed effort to complete. THIS relic is casual.

    An earned rewards and sense of achievement is a pretty standard thing in any game? Do you honestly think it's normal and ok, that you can obtain your next step in a relic, within moments of the patch dropping? You unlock the quest, you buy the 3 items with your already capped Causalities. Is that really great design?
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  8. #48
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    Zairava's Avatar
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    Apparently you do because you keep saying it "means nothing" if people are allowed to use tomes or being able to pick the means to complete them.
    To me. It means nothing to me. You don't have to care that I think that way. That's the joy of something called opinions.

    Pick your own means of getting them if you wish, we shouldn't have entire form of content we enjoy deleted because of it. I have already stated numerous times on these godsforsaken forums that I'm an advocate for branching paths.

    Me and many others find absolutely 0 satisfaction in being able to get our relics on launch because they're glorified tome weapons, easier to obtain than what's actually labeled "tome gear weapons".
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    Last edited by Zairava; 10-17-2023 at 04:53 AM.

  9. #49
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    Lilisette Lufaise
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    This is entirely a you problem from my perspective. There is no difference in feelings of accomplishment for me between this relic and the ARR or the Shadowbringers relics. The main difference is those force me to do something boring or that I don't want to do to make progress on them, but I can choose to make my own fun with these new ones. I'm not boxed into having to do fate spam over and over whiel watching a movie because I'm bored. I'm not forced to run 180 instances of normal raids that don't even use half my kit because they're from previous expansions. If I want to run content and try to make progress on it I can.

    I don't see why there's such a problem with the new ones when there is the freedom to choose what you want to do to fulfil it. If you want to do it the "efficient", but boring way of spamming hunt trains over and over to get tomes quickly, no one is going to stop you, but you chose to meeet the criteria that way.
    This whole "earned reward" and "sense of achievement" just seems so weird, it's just being used to try to act like something that was never particularly hard should be harder just to satisfy a sense of rarity for what is by all intents and purposes, a casual catchup weapon that doubles as glam.
    In my opinion the endwalkers relic is lazy and caters to people who don't want to put in any effort. But to say past expansions relics didn't take any effort is disingenuous. The arr relic was actually pretty tough on some of the steps on release during the time especially the hard mode and extreme trials. They weren't handed out like you claim and were actually seen as an achievement back then and showed you dedicated time to it. But the endwalkers relics are the handouts. You might enjoy the endwalkers relics but a lot of people want something to work towards during the downtime between 6.5 and dawntrail and not want something handed to them and these relics provide no long term grind. It's sad that getting a relic handed to you on release when sitting on max tomes for months is considered peak content and gameplay when all you have to do is 10 minutes of hildibrand wow so much grind and work to do.
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    Last edited by Nebelheim; 10-17-2023 at 04:59 AM.
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  10. #50
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    The endwalker relics are unironically easier to get than tome weapons lol
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