Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[Supersnow845]

It’s almost an achievement that every single thread or comment by petthismiqote can actually be this bad

I’m more impressed than angry that if you genuinely hold these opinions that you are this offended at putting in even a modicum of effort and if you are a troll you manage to hit this many pain points this effectively

[NekoMataMata]

It’s almost an achievement that every single thread or comment by petthismiqote can actually be this bad

I’m more impressed than angry that if you genuinely hold these opinions that you are this offended at putting in even a modicum of effort and if you are a troll you manage to hit this many pain points this effectively

They're trolling. They've spent the last week necroing threads in the same fashion that Titanmen's alts do.

I don't think it's Titanmen though. These posts aren't Titan's style. Titanmen is usually negative, and they usually exaggerate a fair bit to the point where it's hard not to see their threads as satirical. This alt exaggerates but it's almost believable. Like if I didn't play the game or if I were a casual MSQ only player I would probably fall for it. I guess it helps that they also seem to know just what gets on people's nerves.

They've completely killed my motivation for posting on the forums though... They've necro'd some older threads that people are still posting/arguing on and keeping active on the front page. The handful of threads that haven't been complete dumpster fires have just been uninteresting too, so the forums are dead to me at this point.

[Banriikku]

In elemenary school we had a sportfestival with prices and what not. I got a price for placing 4th, a little trophy made by students. An absolut hideous, ugly thing... but i keep it to this day because its earned. I did go to a seminar for the company i work for and at the end we had a teambuiling exercise and we all got a trophy handed because "we all are winners".... i did throw away this thing the moment i reached the parking lot of the hotel. It never reached my home, not even my car.

Endwalker relics are handouts without any meaning or purpose besides to populate the pf. Mandervill is something i love and find funny to no end but to make it mandatory is nonsense and lazy. Everything SE did in EW after 6.0 patches is recycle, repeat, stretch and reduce. I cant wait when we reach the point where relics a quest rewards are with just clicking on a NPC and thats it, done in 5 minutes. No i got one better: MOGSTATION.

Relics are normally for the collectors crowd and min/max for what ever but relics are by no stretch a good or meaningfull way to get BIS besides some special cases. Go savage and be done. So can i have my cool, exploration bling bling back ? You can craft, fish, huntrain, triple triad, etc. to youre hearts content - i want the exploration Zones and their Relics back. I love Eureka and Bozja, you can dislike it all you want but the game has your back with other stuff.

[VerdeLuck]

In elemenary school we had a sportfestival with prices and what not. I got a price for placing 4th, a little trophy made by students. An absolut hideous, ugly thing... but i keep it to this day because its earned. I did go to a seminar for the company i work for and at the end we had a teambuiling exercise and we all got a trophy handed because "we all are winners".... i did throw away this thing the moment i reached the parking lot of the hotel. It never reached my home, not even my car.

Endwalker relics are handouts without any meaning or purpose besides to populate the pf. Mandervill is something i love and find funny to no end but to make it mandatory is nonsense and lazy. Everything SE did in EW after 6.0 patches is recycle, repeat, stretch and reduce. I cant wait when we reach the point where relics a quest rewards are with just clicking on a NPC and thats it, done in 5 minutes. No i got one better: MOGSTATION.

Relics are normally for the collectors crowd and min/max for what ever but relics are by no stretch a good or meaningfull way to get BIS besides some special cases. Go savage and be done. So can i have my cool, exploration bling bling back ? You can craft, fish, huntrain, triple triad, etc. to youre hearts content - i want the exploration Zones and their Relics back. I love Eureka and Bozja, you can dislike it all you want but the game has your back with other stuff.

Relics have always been handouts, ARR was a handout for grinding fates for dozens of hours, HW was a handout for grinding duties for dozens of hours, SB was a handout for doing eureka for dozens of hours, SHB was a handout for doing bozja for dozens of hours.
Endwalker is no different, it just doesn't require doing one specific thing. I can earn half a relic doing all 12 paths of a variant dungeon or I can do hunt trains and do the same. It's freeing.

But lets not kid ourselves and act like relics were ever some holy thing or were ever meaningful to earn, they were a grind and a handout for casuals to catch up and have glam during an expansion.

Though I have to say the community's 180 on relics from when they were originally revealed to be manderville is very funny. In a year we went from "This is unfair why are you making me do hildbrand quests?" to "This is unfair why aren't you making me do more specific things?"

[Nebelheim]

Relics have always been handouts, ARR was a handout for grinding fates for dozens of hours, HW was a handout for grinding duties for dozens of hours, SB was a handout for doing eureka for dozens of hours, SHB was a handout for doing bozja for dozens of hours.
Endwalker is no different, it just doesn't require doing one specific thing. I can earn half a relic doing all 12 paths of a variant dungeon or I can do hunt trains and do the same. It's freeing.

But lets not kid ourselves and act like relics were ever some holy thing or were ever meaningful to earn, they were a grind and a handout for casuals to catch up and have glam during an expansion.

Though I have to say the community's 180 on relics from when they were originally revealed to be manderville is very funny. In a year we went from "This is unfair why are you making me do hildbrand quests?" to "This is unfair why aren't you making me do more specific things?"

Previous relics weren't handouts you had to work for them and actually do/run content not just your daily roulettes for 1500 tomes which most people do daily anyway. Endwalkers relics were handouts. At this point in endwalkers i would rather have the various grinds arr and heavansward relics had us do rather than what we have now. There is no grind or achievement in grinding daily roulettes for a current relic other than making it super easy to grind with poetics next expansion which will make it even easier to get. We already have tome weapons we can get for 1500 tomes and doing the normal 8 man raids for the weekly thing it drops for an equivalent ilvl weapon.

[VerdeLuck]

Previous relics weren't handouts you had to work for them and actually do/run content not just your daily roulettes for 1500 tomes which most people do daily anyway. Endwalkers relics were handouts. At this point in endwalkers i would rather have the various grinds arr and heavansward relics had us do rather than what we have now. There is no grind or achievement in grinding daily roulettes for a current relic other than making it super easy to grind with poetics next expansion which will make it even easier to get. We already have tome weapons we can get for 1500 tomes and doing the normal 8 man raids for the weekly thing it drops for an equivalent ilvl weapon.

Really? Getting a relic from doing 50 or so Fates isn't a handout but doing it through however many variant dungeon clears is suddenly no longer "working for it"? Doing a dozen or so clears of current Alliance raids is no longer working for it?
It's just laughable to say that mindless fate spam was somehow "less of a handout" or "meant anything", it's just contrarianism and MMO boomer stuff to say that old=good and new=bad.
these were never hard to do, there was never any working for it. It was an annoying grind in the past and they listened to feedback to make it less annoying.

The removal of one time steps was some of the best parts of this one as well. Having to do a grind, getting 0 reward from it other than the "right" to start another slogging grind was not fun. In the current steps they listened to feedback and there is no part where you think to yourself "this sucks why am I not getting progress towards my relics?", if you're doing level 90 content, you are getting at least some progress given towards your weapon.

[ChrysOCE]

Really? Getting a relic from doing 50 or so Fates isn't a handout but doing it through however many variant dungeon clears is suddenly no longer "working for it"? Doing a dozen or so clears of current Alliance raids is no longer working for it?
It's just laughable to say that mindless fate spam was somehow "less of a handout" or "meant anything", it's just contrarianism and MMO boomer stuff to say that old=good and new=bad.
these were never hard to do, there was never any working for it. It was an annoying grind in the past and they listened to feedback to make it less annoying.

The removal of one time steps was some of the best parts of this one as well. Having to do a grind, getting 0 reward from it other than the "right" to start another slogging grind was not fun. In the current steps they listened to feedback and there is no part where you think to yourself "this sucks why am I not getting progress towards my relics?", if you're doing level 90 content, you are getting at least some progress given towards your weapon.

Sure, I guess some people could decide to actively go out and farm variant dungeons, but that is an individual decision. I genuinely do not understand why this is so hard to understand. Being given a specific task - farm 50 FATES, clear DRN 5 times, clear Alliance Raids 4 times, obtain these specific times with GC currency or gil or 20,000 poetics, whatever the task is, it gives it meaning. You are obtaining a relic by doing a quest which then becomes an earned reward. It's a completely different thing to someone deciding, on their own, to give themselves their own individual head cannon journey to obtain their relic.

The vast majority of people are not spending their Causality tomes on anything so, when a new step releases, hey presto: you have your next relic step within a few minutes of the patch releasing. And then, if you are doing your roulettes or pvp (which you probably were going to do anyway), you can get another relic. And another. And another. There is no sense of achievement which this relic and it becomes no different to a standard tomestome weapon. Hell, the Comedy tomestome weapon is more of an earned reward, due to you having to do P12N X times and spend a limited tomestone currency on it.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Don't worry. They will make relics a log in reward in 7.0, and I'm sure according to their metric it'll be the biggest, most successful relic questline that they've ever implement of all time!

And y'all gonna like it! /s

[...]Though I have to say the community's 180 on relics from when they were originally revealed to be manderville is very funny. In a year we went from "This is unfair why are you making me do hildbrand quests?" to "This is unfair why aren't you making me do more specific things?"

Do you think the "This is unfair why are you making me do hildbrand quests?"-crowd in the past are effectively the same group that screams "This is unfair why aren't you making me do more specific things?" today?

[Hanayumi]

Heres what I think SE should do, keep the 1500 tome weapons, consider it as just catch up gear and call it something else. Bring back a real relic weapon with a very heavy grind, give it plenty of options like Bozja weapon but tie it to nothing specific, make it as an alternative to raid/aug tome weapons bis that you can obtain by at least by every odd patch.

[Renathras]

Heres what I think SE should do, keep the 1500 tome weapons, consider it as just catch up gear and call it something else. Bring back a real relic weapon with a very heavy grind, give it plenty of options like Bozja weapon but tie it to nothing specific, make it as an alternative to raid/aug tome weapons bis that you can obtain by at least by every odd patch.

Honestly I think this is the answer. We have tome weapons but they're locked behind 7 weeks of normal raid final boss drop. They can just dump the token requirement and put the price at 1500 tomes or something and call it a day. They still require Savage raiding or 1.5 patches later 25 man coin drop exchanges before you can upgrade them to their final forms anyway, but they otherwise achieve the same purpose.